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US accuses Iran over Iraq bombs
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Pretext for invading and disarming another country that the US doesn't like?
Seems awfully familiar doesn't it?
I wonder who's next on the hitlist...
Pretext for invading and disarming another country that the US doesn't like?
Seems awfully familiar doesn't it?
I wonder who's next on the hitlist...
Beep boop. I'm a bot.
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According to this article plans to attack Iran are well advanced and could come to be in a few weeks.
It would seem that Putin was spot on when he said last week:
"One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way.
This is very dangerous. Nobody feels secure any more because nobody can hide behind international law,' Putin said. 'This is nourishing an arms race with countries seeking to obtain nuclear weapons... We're witnessing the untrammelled use of the military in international affairs... Why is it necessary to bomb and to shoot at every opportunity?''
The biggest laugh of it all is of course the supreme hypocrisy of the USA, a country that has unashamedly provided weapons, training and support to dozens if not hundreds of factions of fascists, terrorists, drug dealers and murderers throughout the world.
The sooner we deal with this pariah state, the better.
I must say I would be quite tickled if the US did invade and then actually saw the full extent of Iran's arsenal. Sooner or later, they are going to experience a military defeat as big if not bigger than Vietnam then hopefully the people will completely lose it with the Republicans, a peoples' coup will ensue, and Barack Obama will be installed as President. We can only hope.
Who has probably killed about as many people in Chechnya as the Iraq war has.
Nearly fell off my chair.
Good to see him abuse the US, yes, but "sane and sage".
You, sir, are having a laugh.
As for the OP. Of course Iran is involved. Always have been. It's partly why the US is there, keep Iran busy there and they won't be as interested elsewhere...
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=84362007
The cheek of the cunts truly beggars belief.
Though I can understand why they are uneasy about Iran buying the best anti aircraft defence system in the world. Its fighters and even its missiles would be blown out of the sky by the Iranians. What a pity that would be.
No, I'm not.
The war in Chechnya is happening because Russia, quite rightly, don't want to grant them independence. It would be like Milton Keynes trying to declare independence. It is a part of Russia. If Moscow granted them independence, what would happen to all the other former states assimilated by the former USSR? When the wall fell, Chechnya declared its independence from Moscow but it's never been recognised. Now should Moscow bow to every part of the country that declares itself independent? Should it fuck! Incidentally, the ONLY state on earth that has thus far recognised Chechnya as a valid independent state was the Taliban.
I mean, they already gave away the Ukraine, for which thousands of Russians died in the 1800s. I personally think Moscow has every right to fight tooth and nail to keep Chechnya, especially in the wake of the number of bombings in Moscow and the seige in Beslan.
Aside from that, Putin's foreign policy has been cuatious, reasonable and wise. He is the only leader of the G8 man enough to actually stand up to the US and not bow to its demands.
The fact of the matter is, one part of their country is fighting for independence which no-one else in the world recognises and the 'parent' nation is fighting back.
It's not as simplistic as that.
AFAIK Checnyans are ethicnally and religiously disctinct from the rest of Russia with their own customs. They've also had a history of fighting for independance so it's not merely a new phenomenon.
Regardless of whether Chechnyia deserves independence, you have to admit that what the Russians have done there is nothing short of a crime against humanity Thunderstruck.
Chechnyan fighters are even more repugnant of course, but that does not merit castigating civilians and literally obliterating an entire city.
I think it is more the methods Russia uses rather than the cause in particular which is the issue with most people.
Before Yeltsin went in the first time, the "independent" state of Chechyna was falling to pieces, it couldn't afford to pay pensions, was corrupt and was split between about three different factions. If Yeltsin had waited a few months any idea of independence would have been dead for a generation.
You could see it as them helping out their Muslim brethren against the evil oppressor in the same way that the US would leap to Israel's defence were anything to happen to them. Or maybe it's because a lot of people in the west think that Iran wants to make a fucking huge crater out of Israel all together and thus this could be construed as preemptive action.
I think whether they are or not is rather beside the point. As long as there's a suspicion and the US can get people on their side over this, then Iran better start target practice very soon.
As for what makes them, it makes them an interventionist belligerant country. Though certainly no worse than the USA, who of course have gone one better than sending weapons to a faction in Iraq and actually bombed, invaded and occupied the country themselves.
Fact is the US remains an illegal aggresor and occupier of a sovereign nation after overthrowing its government, replacing it with a bunch of puppets and giving them extensive weapons, training and support. It is rather hilarious that it should complain other nations sending a few weapons to a different faction.
ETA: Iran is no worse either than our very own Britain and a good few other Western nations that have sent weapons/troops/support to the occupation forces.
So just because they are 'no worse' than the US, it makes it ok for them to kill western soldiers and prelong the civil war?
I deplore every civilian death and don't particularly applaud the deaths of combatants either. But from an impartial point of view it is not wrong to say that soldiers are fair targets. If Iran genuinely believes aiding fighters will lead to the defeat of the occupation forces then I don't think any Western country can complain about its acts. Specially since the tactic of arming and supporting factions and groups abroad has been extensively used by the West for decades.
I question you because the only real thing you seem concerned about is making sure everyone knows the US is the worst force in the World since the Black Death.
Of course Iraq is a balls up, of course the reasons for the war were spurious at best, but I really dont think a proxy war between Iran and the US is what Iraq needs right now.
True, but it also means that Iran is making itself a player and can't complain if the US, the UK and Iraqi Govt take action against it.
I suspect Iran is also loess worried about what's good for Iraq and more that a weakened Iraq in the middle of civil war is good for Iran, especially given the long -standing hostility between the two states.
They are destabalising Iraq so they can make an easier play to have power there. You could of course argue that the US planned to do exactly the same.
The Iranians are far from innocent - that’s for sure. They're the disruptive pupil who keeps testing to see how much they can get away with; while America is the self-appointed prefect with a bully-boy mentality. They were always bound to clash. It just happens that one of them is the world super-power and can do what the fúck it likes.
I wasn't being entirely serious.
yeah, I know. Just not looking forward to this whole two front war thing that is looking more and more likely.
Basically that's why the US gave support to both Iran and Iraq to keep them both killing each other rather than anyone else.
Why are they getting involved? Surely they should stay out and exercise their anger through the correct political mediums..
Sounds crazy but you know what I mean.