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Yes, that's stereotyping, not impersonating.
I'm still waiting for drumbeat to explain how taking the piss out of notherners is racist. Regionalist it may be. Racist? No.
Where did I twist your words?
i consider a racist joke to be based upon someone being from a certain place.
i originally said "everyone tells racist jokes."
you said "no, they dont"
i said something along the lines of "have you never impersonated a northerner or an indian?"
you said "how is taking the piss out a northerner racist?"
right. taking the piss out a geordie accent is exactly the same as taking the piss out an new york accent, which is exactly the same as somebody taking the piss out a dutch person. or is that wrong?
if so, please explain to me why.
and stereotyping and impersonating go hand in hand with each other.
I presume you are not replying to me ...
well i felt that you either switched the meaning of the word 'sensitivity' that i said to mean something different and used it against me. either that or you got the 2 meanings confused.
so i said 'dont twist my words' and 'dont play dumb' to cover both possibilities.
sorry if i offended.
gimme a chance! i only just saw your post!
Hey, it's ok dude! I'm only here for friendly chat - I don't want to offend anyone either.
That's not what racist means.
it is pointless arguing the definition of racism, because that isnt really the issue. ill accept that racism can mean different things to different people.
right. back to the bit that started this little side arguement.... substitute 'racist' for 'regionalist', and off we go....!
gayest fucking thread in ages, imo.
OK, I'll bite.
Intention is the key. Whether you intenionally mean to cause hurt. The majority of racist jokes do, they reinforce racist attitudes in society. Some regionalist jokes can too, but northern monkeys (why do Mancunians look like monkeys btw?) have not been consistently refused jobs, housing, service in shops, etc as black people have been for example.
Interesting argument.
So if people start refusing to employ Mancs, because they are Mancs then you would argue racism? After all, they cannot help where they were born.
I presume the use of "monkey" was intentionally comparable?
No, because being Mancunian is not a race.
No, it came out of a conversation I had with my missus the other day.
Any word is ultimately derogatory if enough people accept that it is so. 'Gay' is a case in point. Time was when 'homosexual' was widely regarded as unmentionable, so 'gay' was presumably coined to describe people attracted to the same sex. The public wised up to that, but not to their own prejudices, so 'gay' became a slur, too, like '******' and '****'. Now, homosexuality is coming to be accepted by a lot more people, and 'gay' is pretty redundant. You can say 'homosexual' or 'lesbian', and most people don't even giggle.
I think (I might be wrong) that 'gay' is coming to be seen as interchangeable with 'camp'. Associated with a stereotype that homosexuals want to shrug off, since they now feel they can be a part of society without having to ring a metaphorical bell to warn 'normal' people of their approach, or observe the mannerisms of their 'gang' for self-protection. 'Gay' is just undergoing a language shift.
And may I say that I am deeply offended, as a keen recycler, by the negative connotations attached earlier to the words 'crap' and 'rubbish'? :mad:
Why is this derogatory?
Because it is objectifying. It denies their subjectivity.