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Two came to my primary school for about a term. I didnt really get to know them, but they played football just like everyone else
and wth is up with the smileys??
But what sort of answer is that?
At least with legal camps there is motivation to be well behaved.
My answer.
There should be more legal camps for them.
Bollocks mate. Some illegal camps cause damage - a lot don't. Again its only the ones you see. Quite often travellers don't get a chance to clear up 'cos they get an hours eviction notice, then they get blamed for leaving the place in a mess (happened to some friends of mine).
But maybe it's best if we just left this to die now, as there is obviously a difference of opinion.
You're talking absolute bollocks mate, about something you know fuck all about.
Of course there are anti-social elements. No one is claiming otherwise. What I'm taking issue with is Kermit's assertion that all travellers act that way. They don't. Trust me, I've visited enough people on site to know what I'm talking about.
The overwhelming majority of gypsies that illegally invade private land do not leave it in a respectable state. Decent, law-abiding people understandably get pissed off. (And from experience I've found the police pretty unhelpful too as far as law-breaking gypsies is concerned. Dunno whether they're scared or if it's just laziness).
Kermit & Fiend, Woulld you be happy to have a legal camp down the road from you? Because most people wouldn't. A lot of people don't like gypsies and wouldn't be prepared to allow a legal camp in their community.
Read and learn.
http://www.cre.gov.uk/gdpract/g_and_t_facts.html
What. all of them?
Who's a social worker?
and how many travellers sites have you visited?
Your evidence for this is...what?
PML!
Yes of course you have. :rolleyes:
Bollocks.
I live in an area that not only has a legal camp, but is often 'invaded' by travelling groups. They leave a mark, but they don't cause have the mess people would have you believe. It's the old people and the city types who've now moved to the country that seem to have the biggest problem with them.
Though I believe you when you say many of them would speak against travellers. That's Daily Mailesque middle Englanders for you.
Judging by the ones that invaded our town for a while, it's the fact they were bearing arms at the police. ON OUR SCHOOL FFS. Whislt we were there, watching, the Gypsie's designated leader guy went, shotgun in hand, towards the officers.
They left loads of empty white lightening bottles, stella cans, and various empty booze bottles around, rubbish, and all sorts.
Also, the other places they moved too, plenty of mess was left. Including the local discovery centre place, blocknig the road off.:rolleyes:
I can't say most of my encounters with gypsies have been good. They even tried to get me and a mate to come out of the cinema (God knows why, I dread to think) by telling us "Cinema's closed, you gotta go on train to chelmsford with us". I was stoned off my face at the time too. I laughed for a bit then went and saw a film. I honestly wonder about them.
I think a lot of people woul prefer to assume that most gypsies are 'bad though'. It's easy that way.
Kermit certainly thinks it would be a good idea to 'send in the JCBs', into illegal camps if they don't move on quick enough. That is to say either either they get their homes destroyed or they move on to somewhere else where they'll get exactly the same ultimatum.
And how much time would you give them, or would they be allowed to stay for ever? Because I'm quite sure there's not much chance of this happening:
Concerned homeowner: Oh, I'm terribly sorry but you appear to be blocking the path and this park. You're making a little bit too much noise and you're leaving an unreasonable amount of litter. I don't suppose you'd mind tidying up and then moving onto another area where you're not allowed to stay?
"Traveller": My, I'm terribly sorry. We weren't aware we were causing bother. We shall have departed by sunrise tomorrow.
Well if they're not allowed to be there either...
Read this.
http://www.cre.gov.uk/gdpract/g_and_t_facts.html
They've got nowhere to go, so they go where they can and all the while live with racist abuse, and under threat that they'll be moved on any day.
What would you do?
There's a solution. Get a house instead of moving from one illegal site to another.
Hurrah! No problems there.
This is the thing that really bothers me with the racism/race equality umbrella. Gypsies are not above the law just because they're a race and have to live on the road. They can't just come and diminish our way of life because theirs have been affected by urban growth.
If they're on an authorised site, like the ones that lived close to me were, fantastic. All respect to them if they've come here, contributed to our economy and got jobs. Wonderful. But the ones that set themselves up on car parks, fields and the like (which I've also witnessed) - that's not on.
Buy some land or a house?
Not being funny mate, but as you will know (since you have known some gypo's yourself) that inside some of those caravans are like fucking palaces. So it's not really a question of cash is it?
They should buy land like everyone else and pay the fucking taxes and bills that come with it!
Edit: By the way I'm not actually against them
You could try treating them as humans. Let be fair plenty of the legal campsites are in the worst condition councils can legally keep them in, so don't be suprised if many gypsy's show a distinct unwillingness to live in them.
Treat them like humans and you'll be suprised that they're no different from anybody else.