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The fight for equality
Pearly
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Gemma thinks women are risking their right to equality by acting badly and joining the ladette culture, what do you think?
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The ladette culture is as much a threat to the 'women's lib movement' as drag queens are. I.e. no threat at all.
Sounds like an either/or. Gemma writes in details about women finally being able to cast of the shackles and become wonderful doctors, lawyers etc, but little has been written about the woman who chooses to stay at home. The paragraph above makes the role sound a little demeaning, in my opinion. I thought feminism was about having the option to persue things that men can e.g. in the world of work, that doesn't mean to say that women who don't are setting us back.
That's a trap a lot of Western feminists fall into. They assume that their wants are universal. They aren't. That wasn't the point she was making, but I thought I'd mention it
I do see the point that Gemma is trying to make. Binge drinking and the anti-social issues associated with excessive alcohol consumption are problems. However, you have to take the rough with the smooth. Given that we have the disposable income, and choices to be able to go out for some drinks at night, some people will act in an irresponsible manner, and drink until they stumble home or threaten someone in an aggressive manner etc. But I think other examples could have been used rather than the obvious 'ladette', for example, the Paris Hiltons of the world, or people like Jade Goody (although times are changing for her atm).
She did actually include some of these examples in her original rant, but it was very similar to the rant on idiolising idiots, so I chose to leave it out. Thanks for your thoughts though, very interesting topic defo...
Really, we should see it as a good thing that women don't feel ashamed to go out and drink a man under the table, that they've embraced they can do everything men do - from being the CEO of a MNC to drinking contests which result in much drunkness and more often than not meaningless sex aftewards.
But yea, my 2p.
Good point, my mum likes being a housewife.
Total gender equality is impossible imo. There's too many physiological/psychological differences and attitutudes towards gender that full equality will never be achievable.
I know that, equality covers many fields. They're already equal in most fields but aren't in others. Women pay less in car insurance because males cause most accidents, this could be a result of masculine traits such as higher levels of testosterone and general attitudes towards speeding. Men earn higher in sport because on the whole, more people prefer to watch males at sport (football, tennis, golf, snooker, darts etc etc) and that means more sponsors i.e.more money for males.
At the moment girls that behave the same as many men on a night out still often get referred to as 'slags', whilst the men get a slap on the back from their mate.
Equality surtely means that women should have the same choices as men, and that includes the choice to get plastered wihtout having to feel ashamed.
I agree. What's more;
Maybe one of those who think there is a divide between a 'lady' and a 'slag' is the rant-er, or at least those who think women who do go binge drinking are somehow inferior women.
That said to go back to the original article women drinking too much and behaving promiscously isn't new...
http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/eighteenth-century_life/v024/24.2warner.html
If we really want to break down gender barriers we should start looking at things from a gender-neutral viewpoint instead of "men/women are victims of this.....men/women perpetrate that...."
I don't see how "ladettes" are going to dent feminism. Feminism has flaws like any other ideology. Maybe some of the more "conservative" feminists were expecting some sort of utopia but instead they have women acting "like men" and thats what they fear. Maybe we should start talking about how "people" should act instead of breaking it down into men or women.
Until then I just hope women and men can really enjoy themselves a bit more sensibly.
I think the problem is more to do with social class than gender issues and not all wome want a career (but for the record Gemma, I want to be one of these career women going to work in a suit and working in an office).
There isn't any one way a woman should act, that is the very thing that feminists have been fighting...
Women through the ages have fought for the same rights and opportunities as men- the right to be a lawyer and, equally, the right to go out and get trollied. Saying that women are "bad" for not becoming doctors and lawyers is just as restricting and just as denigrating as saying that women are "bad" for not staying at home and raising babies. Saying that a "good" or "proper" woman should only do certain activities is no different to what women have been told for hundreds of years.
Gemma is doing the same thing that people have done for hundreds of years- attacking women for not acting in a way that they feel is "desirable". Swapping the kitchen for the boardroom doesn't make it any less restricting and denigrating.
Pretty much wot he said.
That's if women deserve equality.....
must try harder
Probably gave him 2 marks for hating Luton eh?
I wouldn't expect anything more from a media student
Ha. They made the Southampton Institute into Solent University because they were bored. Whoever they are.
It doesn't matter what you call it, its still the Duncetitute.
Feel free to write a rant about the quality of the rants then perhaps?!
I know a lot of them may be controversial, but at the end of the day one's person's opinions are bound to be different to others, that's what it's all about, and it's great if it sparks a debate. I'm always keen to hear from ranters though so please get in touch if you want a go!