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Racism in the Big Brother house

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    I think his view counts for more, seeing as how he's an Irish man living in Ireland. And you, er, aren't.

    I'm a half Irish man living in London, so I think my views are somewhat valid thanks.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's lots of joking about stereotypes, but this was going a bit beyond 'There was an Irishman, Scotsman and Englishman'* and was bullying. In the grand scheme of things its hardly up there with buring someone's house down, and I'm sure it was as much to do with her being articulate, attractive and middle class as race. But at the same time it shouldn't just be shrugged off and C4 should be stepping in to warn them that they're crossing unacceptable limits.






    * all the best ones were about the stupidity of the English anyway
    An Englishman asked an Irishman to show him the biggest building in an Irish town.
    "There it is now" said the Irishman, "isn't it a fine structure entirely?"
    "Is that your biggest building?" asked the Englishman.
    "Why back in England we have buildings over a hundred times the size of that!"
    "I'm not surprised," said the Irishman,"that's the local lunatic asylum."
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote:
    It's impossible for anyone to speak on behalf of all people of that nation.

    Since when has Shilpa speak on behalf of all Indians?

    I'm sure your many meetings with people of ethnic minorities in Brixton has led you to come to your conclusions and let me tell you, I've travelled the length and breadth of Ireland and the general consensus is that we take a bit of Irish-bashing on the chin. We don't give a fuck if someone slags our accents, calls us Micks or labels us alcoholics, it's when you get into the heavy shit that it becomes offensive and nothing heavy like the P**i word has been said in the house so I think a lot of people are getting their knickers in a twist.

    Oh yeah, I do agree that the reactions are a tad OTT. However there are definite racist undertones to the bullying going on.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I'm a half Irish man living in London, so I think my views are somewhat valid thanks.

    Pfft...plastic paddy. ;)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Piss off, bloody fenian.

    Did I mention me ma's a prod?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Piss off, bloody fenian.

    Did I mention me ma's a prod?

    I prefer the term 'hun'. :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    She probably is racist. Big deal, lots of people are racist. Who gives a monkeys?

    Maybe people who have been vicitims of Racism give a monkey?

    Maybe it's a "Big Deal" to them...

    How many times have you had someone drive up to you and slow down, wind their windows down and start hailing a whole load of abuse calling you all sorts of racist names?

    The whole point is that we don't want people to watch a national TV show and think it's perfectly fine to treat people in a certain way .. to not bother to learn their name and just refer to them by their race.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This is what I think.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "The road to Auschwitz was built by hate but paved with indifference." Meaning you don't have to support something that bad, you just have to not care and effectively LET it happen. Rather then comment on my mental welfare maybe you should read my post again. The common factor being racism. Indifference and apathy and 'oh well never mind' or in your case 'not giving a fuck' just helps the problem escalate. While I understand that this episode of racism (I'm glad people now finally recognise this as racism..after tonight's Shilpa 'Poppadom' I'm sure there can be no question) is on a minor scale and not on your list of things to give a fuck about. Now returning to the real world of obese ginger malnutritioned Yorkshire babies...I can see why you are riled about the piss being taken out of a northerner but I fail to see how getting bitter about your treatment has anything to do with this case.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "Evil prevails when good men do nothing"

    However at least the Nazi's had some brain behind them and a reason for masses to support them

    The more Jade and her crew make racist remarks, the more pathetic people think they are and the less people like her.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Germany being in a pretty desperate state yeah?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    Germany being in a pretty desperate state yeah?

    Yes and more.
    I'm not in any shape or form a supporter of the Nazi's and I don't agree with 99% of the things that they did, but I could go on and on about how in theory, and in practise at the beginning of their rule, alot of their ideas were justified. But I won't state my views here because I doubt anyone will agree and I'll recieve loads of hate mail or something :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pill 'ed wrote:
    Yes and more.
    I'm not in any shape or form a supporter of the Nazi's and I don't agree with 99% of the things that they did, but I could go on and on about how in theory, and in practise at the beginning of their rule, alot of their ideas were justified. But I won't state my views here because I doubt anyone will agree and I'll recieve loads of hate mail or something :)

    Yeahhh please don't. Jewish ancestors and all that
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    Yeahhh please don't. Jewish ancestors and all that

    None of my reasons are anything to do with their hatred of Jews, just to clear that up, there was no excuse for any of that.

    I kinda made that mistake with my ex, started saying how the Nazi's actually had some good ideas (about rebuilding a broken Germany, not slaughtering innocents) and it turns out she was half Jewish. We'd only been going out a week.

    Yeah she didn't talk to me for a few days
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pill 'ed wrote:
    None of my reasons are anything to do with their hatred of Jews, just to clear that up, there was no excuse for any of that.

    I kinda made that mistake with my ex, started saying how the Nazi's actually had some good ideas (about rebuilding a broken Germany, not slaughtering innocents) and it turns out she was half Jewish. We'd only been going out a week.

    Yeah she didn't talk to me for a few days

    Lol. My ex collected nazi parphilnalia (is that how you spell it??) and reckoned the Nazis were misunderstood. Despite my objections and telling him my great uncle had been gassed he carried on :rolleyes: I'm sure that's worse than you :P
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    Lol. My ex collected nazi parphilnalia (is that how you spell it??) and reckoned the Nazis were misunderstood. Despite my objections and telling him my great uncle had been gassed he carried on :rolleyes: I'm sure that's worse than you :P

    Owch.

    I do believe the Nazi's are kind of misunderstood, I mean they did do some great things for their country and had some great ideas, plus in a way the war wasn't all their fault, petty they had to ruin it all by attempting to wipe out an entire race.
    Yeah I don't quite collect Nazi paraphilnalia and if I did, I think I would have stopped once you'd told me that.

    Oh and sorry about your uncle, didn't mean to cause any offence :(
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pill 'ed wrote:

    I do believe the Nazi's are kind of misunderstood,

    Surely post of the week?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LacyMay wrote:
    Surely post of the week?

    Unfair to use that and leave out the rest of my post.
    If people read that they're going to think I'm an actual supporter of the Nazi's. I think I need to clearly state that I am NOT.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hold on... didn't hear that... :D :razz:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pill 'ed wrote:
    Unfair to use that and leave out the rest of my post.
    If people read that they're going to think I'm an actual supporter of the Nazi's. I think I need to clearly state that I am NOT.

    Yeah you do need to state that your not. Even the germans don't say that the nazis were misunderstood :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LacyMay wrote:
    Yeah you do need to state that your not. Even the germans don't say that the nazis were misunderstood :p

    It's only because people are scared of another Nazi uprising that they instill hatred for everything Nazi. I think it's much better for people to be educated and make up their own minds...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote:
    It's only because people are scared of another Nazi uprising that they instill hatred for everything Nazi. I think it's much better for people to be educated and make up their own minds...

    What do you mean..?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    What do you mean..?

    Nazi is a synonym for evil for a lot of people. But I think it's much better to learn about the Nazis and then you can decide for yourself which bits are evil. That widespread desperation was like a dry forest, and hitler ranting about nationalism, and blaming everything on jews, was a spark.

    In Germany, they aren't even allowed to learn what happened. Just that Nazi = bad. But perhaps then they dont reealise that by creating class and race prejudice they are doing exactly the same thing. Bear in mind, it wasnt just Nazis who didnt like Jews - there was prejudice against them in most societies.

    We must see what can be the consequences of ignorance and bigortry, and learn from them. Hitler increased productivity, employment and reduced inflation in Germany. An otherwise inspirational leader became a monster because he spread a message of hate. Imagine if he had impassioned others with love rather than hate. Makes us realise how small actions can make a big difference...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think this is where Godwins Law has to be enforced.

    As for National Socialism as a concept, not entirely evil. I have respect for a Nationalist/Republican Socialist Irish party who funnily enough, don't want to kill all Jews for the sake of the Aryan master race.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRSP
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pill 'ed wrote:
    Yes and more.
    I'm not in any shape or form a supporter of the Nazi's and I don't agree with 99% of the things that they did, but I could go on and on about how in theory, and in practise at the beginning of their rule, alot of their ideas were justified. But I won't state my views here because I doubt anyone will agree and I'll recieve loads of hate mail or something :)

    I for one would like to see you post what you think.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pill 'ed wrote:
    Owch.

    I do believe the Nazi's are kind of misunderstood, I mean they did do some great things for their country and had some great ideas, plus in a way the war wasn't all their fault, petty they had to ruin it all by attempting to wipe out an entire race.
    Yeah I don't quite collect Nazi paraphilnalia and if I did, I think I would have stopped once you'd told me that.

    pill'ed in "fascism not that bad" shocker. :eek:

    What's your view on Mussolini then? or Franco?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote:
    I think this is where Godwins Law has to be enforced.

    As for National Socialism as a concept, not entirely evil. I have respect for a Nationalist/Republican Socialist Irish party who funnily enough, don't want to kill all Jews for the sake of the Aryan master race.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRSP

    Errrmmm...it might be an idea if you found out what National Socialism actually means.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    "The road to Auschwitz was built by hate but paved with indifference."

    It wasn't really indifference, that excuses a lot of people. There weren't that many in Europe who were gutted at the idea of killing Jews- European history is littered with pogroms against the Jewish, and the Holocaust was just the German Efficiency extension of that.
    While I understand that this episode of racism (I'm glad people now finally recognise this as racism..after tonight's Shilpa 'Poppadom' I'm sure there can be no question) is on a minor scale and not on your list of things to give a fuck about.

    Lots of other people seem to be giving a toss on my behalf.

    I just find it sad that two nobodies racially abusing a nobody is more important than eleven people dying in storms, is more important than the hundreds dying in Iraq and Afghanistan each day, is more important than the thousands dying in Africa each day from malnutrition and AIDS. And what's even worse is that Channel Four will make millions of pounds in telephone charges and make a big sack of cash out of this whole episode.
    Now returning to the real world of obese ginger malnutritioned Yorkshire babies...I can see why you are riled about the piss being taken out of a northerner but I fail to see how getting bitter about your treatment has anything to do with this case.

    I'm not bitter, that's the point.

    I don't think racism should be singled out as a special case and have special laws protecting it, when every other form of prejudice and abuse goes without such protection. I will get a criminal record if I utter a drunken racist word in public and the "victim" complains, yet I could go on a rampage of homophobia and misogyny and not have a word said against it. I'm not denigrating racism, its horrible and disgusting, but it isn't any more horrible and disgusting than 1001 other forms of prejudice. The law implicitly condones other forms of prejudice by not dealing with them in the same way as racism.

    If I batter someone for being homosexual I will receive a shorter sentence than if I attack someone for being black. That's what has really got my back up.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Since when did you speak for all Irish people?

    Whether the intent was there, only you know.

    But with the one simple sentence I think you have come up with a solution to the perceived "problem" of racism.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Errrmmm...it might be an idea if you found out what National Socialism actually means.

    Straight from the horses mouth,these are some of the ideals that appear to have somewhat of a general acceptance in the bullring of politics :


    the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.

    equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations;


    All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

    The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically.

    The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all

    Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.

    Breaking of rent-slavery.

    In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

    the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

    a division of profits of all heavy industries.

    an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

    the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

    a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

    The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding.

    the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

    The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

    Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

    freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination.

    The good of the state before the good of the individual.

    For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich.

    Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
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