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'Cos Hazell seemed an un-Muslim name - which is very silly assumption on my part ...
But, with reference to your comment above, there would probably be many staunch Muslims who would object ... just as there are, no doubt, staunch Christians who are opposed to the Channel 4 broadcast.
Oh why can't we all just get on!
I agree with you, but it doesn't work that way in practice. Wave enough offensive placards and scream "death to the infidels" loudly enough, and it seems you can pretty much get away with what you like, not excluding curtailing free speech.
satire
n : witty language used to convey insults or scorn
I doubt the veiled Muslim woman will intentionally be satirical. From what I have read, I am sure her message will be a serious one ... or is Channel 4 using a religious woman of another faith as a vehicle for the channel's own take on 'satire'? Would this, then, be exploitation?
Of course no religion or institution should be above ridicule or satire, but I think that if (and that's a big if, as I don't think this will be the case) the speech is satirical then practising Christians would have every right to be offended and take issue with it. We all know that the devout Muslim community would take offence - and have in the past - at the first sign of their religion not being taken seriously, so there's no point in disputing that. If Christianity is fair game then every other religion would have to be, and the world would be a fabulous place if they were. Maybe that's what she'll do - poke fun at her own religion and de-mystify the stereotypes and stigma surrounding it. But she won't, so the whole concept and point behind it becomes very skewed... and pretty much lost.
It is a genuine Muslim woman :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6210324.stm
People on this board can debate what they like. Religion may not mean anything to you but it can mean life or death to others - and 'just' a TV program could be unnecessarily offensive. What is the 'point' of satirising Christmas anyway? If you don't like seven pages of this, don't read it.
Religion means little to me, Where as faith in God means a lot. I am a believer with no Religion, what a rebel eh? I am like Jesus, maybe even bigger then Jesus...Oh My God, i just made the same mistake as John Lenon and The B Sharps.
As for Tv, Posters, Etc, i personally don't care about them. However i can see why some people. On the contrasting side i do understand why protests and demonstrations and speaches about one religion over another are offensive. Wow, Epiphany!
Any who, Some Muslim doll is doing some speach, i think IF she does offend or in some way slur Christianity, then it is only fair for an alternative to the alternative Christmas message, where the same is said about her faith. But i do NOT think ch4 are so foolish as to show a message that is just about slurring one religion. Surely it is going to talk about...stuff...tv shows...sports awards...achievements in society, etc. Well we can only hope eh?
i agree completely.
if people get offended, then thats life, accept it - do something about it like proving your point - dont go psycho (i recognise its muslims who usually do- bloody muslims). but anyway, it doesnt matter who delivers the christmas mess, lets see what she says first. im guessing if its not satire it'll be something about lets get on with each other etc (or perhaps even if its?).
anyway, hazell isn't my real name Teagan although i might change it by deed poll.
Although the festivals are religious in their creation/background, they are then based mainly on what the majority religion is in the culture of a particular country.
I.e. in a Muslim country they won't have an Xmas holiday but will have the holidays you mentioned..
I don't think that shoud be an issue.....
Equally my girlfriends family, a lot of them are muslims, and I am always invited to their celebrations, should I not be allowed to do so as I am an aetheist? They don't seem to think so..
I agree. She won't slur Christianity, I am sure. In fact, nowhere have I said that she shouldn't do the message or if she would slur Christianity ...
I kinda just got involved in the discussion because someone said that as Islam, Christianity and Jews believe in 'one' god, that is has to be the 'same' god. I disagree. And I am not saying one is more right than the other two either. Just good old-fashioned debate ... :yes:
but its ch4. i wouldnt be surprised if it was chris morris in drag.
everyone here who plans to celebrate christmas raise your hand if your actually a christian! christmas has long ago become a general holiday rather than a strictly religious one, which is fair seeing as it started as some kind of pagan fesitval that the christians stole so they could celebrate with out going to hell, and from what i can remember jesus was born in september.....i dont really know if having a veiled muslim on the alternative xmas message is a good thing (personally i dont care it doesnt bother me) considering the amount of fuss there has been in recent months about women wearing the veil they seem to be asking for trouble and wanting to upset their viewers, although maybe theyr doing it to try to change the public opinion about veils to try and get the general public to accept that people are actually ok...
Neither do I. Doesn't stop me celebrating Christmas.
Same here