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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wrong thread. Delete.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're evidently ignorant of the term.

    Wikipedia.

    More comedy gold! :D


    Keep 'em coming!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    More comedy gold! :D


    Keep 'em coming!

    It's a pretty well established fact that the State of Israel is a liberal democracy; before denying it I would suggest people learn the meaning of the term...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Freedom_House_world_map_2005.png

    Political scientists would generally consider those in green to be liberal democracies
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ha ha ha! Well done! You should get your own stage show! :D
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A middle aged socialist waste of space who isn't funny. I bet you're even more embarrassing in real life.
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Stalin's Organist Posts: 13,327
    A middle aged socialist waste of space who isn't funny. I bet you're even more embarrassing in real life.

    so's your mum!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A middle aged socialist waste of space who isn't funny. I bet you're even more embarrassing in real life.

    Oh you do make me laugh! :D

    What really must be embarrasing dis, is having to defend Israel's actions to all and sundry and pretending that your "liberal democracy" isn't attempting genocide in Palestine. That must be tough, poor love. :(
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Frankly, anyone who thinks that the slaughter of innocents in Iraq hasn't furthered and fueled the terrorist cause, is quite simply barking.

    Two things.

    1. Who is doing the slaughtering of innocents in Iraq? It sure as hell isn't the US Marines.

    2. Iraq is an irrelevance for the Islamic terrorists. The terrorist agenda is the same agenda as for all terrorists- they want power on their terms. Sure Iraq and Afghanistan can be twisted to be an example of how Islam is being "subjugated" by the west, but the point still stands that even without these examples the Islamic terrorists would still be blowing up people. Dar es Salaam, Nairobi, and both attacks on the WTC were undertaken long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Of course Palestine was used as justification for these attacks, but again these people just hide behind excuses. What those attacks boiled down to was the inherent anti-semitism of Islam, the desire to kill anyone who is a Jew or lives in a country where Jews live.

    Bear in mind, folks, that Iraq under Saddam was secular, with equal rights for men and women, Muslims and non-Muslims. Baghdad even had a synagogue. These people are glad that Saddam's gone, because now they have power.

    As for the terrorists "admitting" that Iraq is why they did it- well, they would say that, wouldn't they? They're not gonna say "I've been brainwashed by some cunt in a beard, and I don't care how many innocent people come with me", are they? They've got to try and justify it, to themselves as much as anything. Iraq is a lovely soundbite for these people, nothing more.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    As for the terrorists "admitting" that Iraq is why they did it- well, they would say that, wouldn't they? They're not gonna say "I've been brainwashed by some cunt in a beard, and I don't care how many innocent people come with me", are they? They've got to try and justify it, to themselves as much as anything. Iraq is a lovely soundbite for these people, nothing more.
    Well I'm glad you know better than the four chaps who blew themselves up in London last year and who foolishly believed Britain's intervention in Iraq had tipped them over.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    J wrote:
    It's all them and us these days. I read the bible, I read up on Kabalah and i read the Koran (In English) where does that leave me?...


    Better read than most, even of those following the respective religions, I'd wager.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    1. Who is doing the slaughtering of innocents in Iraq? It sure as hell isn't the US Marines.

    And the reason why they are killing themselves is because of the political instability due to the invasion.
    Kermit wrote:
    2. Iraq is an irrelevance for the Islamic terrorists. The terrorist agenda is the same agenda as for all terrorists- they want power on their terms. Sure Iraq and Afghanistan can be twisted to be an example of how Islam is being "subjugated" by the west, but the point still stands that even without these examples the Islamic terrorists would still be blowing up people. Dar es Salaam, Nairobi, and both attacks on the WTC were undertaken long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Sure there will always be terrorism, he said it has fuelled further terrorism and it has.
    Kermit wrote:
    Of course Palestine was used as justification for these attacks, but again these people just hide behind excuses. What those attacks boiled down to was the inherent anti-semitism of Islam, the desire to kill anyone who is a Jew or lives in a country where Jews live.

    There are 40,000 Jews in Iran, shouldn't they all be dead by now?
    Kermit wrote:
    Bear in mind, folks, that Iraq under Saddam was secular, with equal rights for men and women, Muslims and non-Muslims. Baghdad even had a synagogue. These people are glad that Saddam's gone, because now they have power.

    Exactly, there's was obedience under Sadam, religious people could preach freely, they can't now. Why? Because the transition has been bad, America's fault yet again. Didn't exactly think this one through did they?
    Kermit wrote:
    As for the terrorists "admitting" that Iraq is why they did it- well, they would say that, wouldn't they? They're not gonna say "I've been brainwashed by some cunt in a beard, and I don't care how many innocent people come with me", are they? They've got to try and justify it, to themselves as much as anything. Iraq is a lovely soundbite for these people, nothing more.

    Yeh, great insight there. :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    katralla wrote:
    Better read than most, even of those following the respective religions, I'd wager.

    Not Muslims. The Koran is sacred, they've read it numerous times, this is practicing Muslims of course. They're not like Christains, we go to mass and bear it out, leave and think we'll be alright as long as we turn up next week.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    Two things.

    1. Who is doing the slaughtering of innocents in Iraq? It sure as hell isn't the US Marines.

    2. Iraq is an irrelevance for the Islamic terrorists. The terrorist agenda is the same agenda as for all terrorists- they want power on their terms. Sure Iraq and Afghanistan can be twisted to be an example of how Islam is being "subjugated" by the west, but the point still stands that even without these examples the Islamic terrorists would still be blowing up people. Dar es Salaam, Nairobi, and both attacks on the WTC were undertaken long before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Of course Palestine was used as justification for these attacks, but again these people just hide behind excuses. What those attacks boiled down to was the inherent anti-semitism of Islam, the desire to kill anyone who is a Jew or lives in a country where Jews live.

    Bear in mind, folks, that Iraq under Saddam was secular, with equal rights for men and women, Muslims and non-Muslims. Baghdad even had a synagogue. These people are glad that Saddam's gone, because now they have power.

    As for the terrorists "admitting" that Iraq is why they did it- well, they would say that, wouldn't they? They're not gonna say "I've been brainwashed by some cunt in a beard, and I don't care how many innocent people come with me", are they? They've got to try and justify it, to themselves as much as anything. Iraq is a lovely soundbite for these people, nothing more.

    1. You have a short and selective memory. An initial bombing campaign by the U.S. lead forces in Iraq left many innocents dead. Remember?

    2. Of course the video tape evidence of the July 7th bombers is by-the-by to you, right? I mean, after all, once you’ve finished sucking up all the shit the government spoon feeds you, why bother with the facts? Still, I’m sure you know the minds of the people who strap on bombs better than they know themselves.

    Of course what you may be confusing yourself with is the difference between what terrorists need as fuel to justify their atrocities, and the fact there is no justification for it.

    I’m sure that if you did a quick straw poll of Iraqis, they’d all tell you how much happier they are nowadays, seeing as their country has descended into civil war and all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote:
    Not Muslims. The Koran is sacred, they've read it numerous times, this is practicing Muslims of course. They're not like Christains, we go to mass and bear it out, leave and think we'll be alright as long as we turn up next week.

    stand corrected
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spare a thought for the soldiers on the ground in Iraq for instance. British soldiers are doing their best to help the iraqi army and train them and stuff, but it's hard to do that if the iraqi army doesn't take it seriously.
    If the US army leaves Iraq now, all hell will break loose in the middle east.

    Whether the war is illegal or not is besides the point. We need to sort out the situations so the Iraqi innocents stop dying and the infidels (love that word) are destroyed.

    UK is always gonna be a target of extremists, whatever they do or don't do. Same with the States.
    A lot of people at the moment are talking shit in the papers, but none of them are coming up with suggestions on how to resolve things.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actually most of them have come up with a solution: end the occupation immediately. Replace it with UN troops if they must- though to be fair the situation couldn't be any worse than it is, so it won't make much of a difference in terms of "security" whether there are foreign troops or not.

    Did you know that 6 out of 10 Iraqis support attacks on the Allied occupation forces? There is a lot of anger generated by the very presence of US and British troops there.

    Time to end the occupation, time for the US and British governments to say sorry and to admit they lied to the world about the reasons for invading Iraq, and time for Bush and Blair to at least be kicked out of office in shame (since sadly nobody has the balls to charge them with war crimes).

    Those three things would do a trillion times more for peace in Iraq than all the Allied troops in the world can.
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