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tories - and the lack of ideas.
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I don't see the problem with the Tories having very few clear policies at the moment. With a few years to go before an election, what would be the point of giving the other side plenty of time to attack you.
They are right to hold back on the details, and I think they are right to focus on economic stability before offering tax cuts.
The labor government has done okay, but it is time for someone else to have a go. Mr Brown has 10% of what it takes to be a good PM in modern society. Nobody can relate to him.
They are right to hold back on the details, and I think they are right to focus on economic stability before offering tax cuts.
The labor government has done okay, but it is time for someone else to have a go. Mr Brown has 10% of what it takes to be a good PM in modern society. Nobody can relate to him.
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I don't like Cameron, just something about him. However I want rid of Blair and his government, they seem to think they can do whatever they want and need reminding whos really in charge.
It's certainly refreshing to see the Tory party (or at least part of it) appearing to distance itself from the old ways. But Cameron 'nice guy' image is rather like Tony in the 1990s.
True that. They're all vague or stupid.
political parties are irrelevant it seems.
no ideology anymore.
Tories have been known not to have a set ideology if you look through their evolution as a party.
We have nothing but glib soundbites because nothing but glib soundbites are electable. We have the politicians we deserve.
With the rise of individualism, consumerism and dilution of class politics; people don't have an incentive to vote for a particular party. It's all the same sort of shit. Who cares?
At least on paper, they are fiercely anti-war and in favour of distancing Britain from the ever-more-embarrassing slave-master relationship we have with the US. For those two reasons alone they deserve the pragmatic vote of anyone sick of the Labour/Tory identikit policies.
Out of the three parties they're certainly the closest to me at the moment, though they're still not a left wing party and I would probably not vote for them, 'wasting' my vote instead on a small party that was closer to my beliefs.
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State a position now and you give the opposition parties time to slag it - say nothing and you don't.
Besides, who really cares what they have to say anyway? It will be bland because they have to appeal to the group of people least engage/polarised already.
But isn't it the shift from right to left and back which actually brings about change and devlopment? Surely ploughing the middle road and trying to reach consensus on so much undermines democracy and leads to stagnation?
You have no idea how often I use that quote... :thumb:
Though I'm sure some people view them as radical nonsense
No they're not and all the parties do them to a greater or lesser extent.
To a certain extent, but we still do have an interchange of ideas and there still is a difference between Conservatives and Labour. I'm just not convinced that rapid swings between a hard left and a hard right are either a) capable of producing the boring stability in which its nice to lead ones life or b) what people want.
What we have (and in my opinion the best way) is people arguing on a fairly narrow range of arguments eg the amount of Govt intervention in the economy and where - rather than an argument about an absolute free market vs an absolute state control.
Its also an argument about how best to integrate and adapt our culture for the good of both the 'native' British and immigrants, rather than it all sort itself out or the 'there's no black in the union jack' argument.
The fact that politics is dull suggests to me that things are generally OK, radicalisation occurs in times of upheaval and this is not desirable generally (unless what came before was very bad).
The big issue for me at the moment is civil liberties and I will be interested to see if the Tories take a firm stand against the current Labour position (which i detest) or if Brown will change the stance, hopefully he will sack Reid and do away with ID cards and much of the other bollocks he and his predecessors have been associated with.....