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CIA applies for permission to torture
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1874748,00.html
How these people can look themselves in the mirror in the morning or indeed how can the President of that repulsive regime talk to the world and speak of 'freedom' and 'human rights' is simply beyond belief.
Fucking Empire of Evil.
Details emerged yesterday about the seven interrogation techniques the CIA is seeking to be allowed to apply to terror suspects.
The techniques sought by the CIA are: induced hypothermia; forcing suspects to stand for prolonged periods; sleep deprivation; a technique called "the attention grab" where a suspect's shirt is forcefully seized; the "attention slap" or open hand slapping that hurts but does not lead to physical damage; the "belly slap"; and sound and light manipulation.
The New York Times recently reported that Abu Zubaydah, the first al-Qaida member captured after the September 11 attacks, was kept in a freezing cell until he went blue, and later assailed with loud Red Hot Chili Peppers music.
How these people can look themselves in the mirror in the morning or indeed how can the President of that repulsive regime talk to the world and speak of 'freedom' and 'human rights' is simply beyond belief.
Fucking Empire of Evil.
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interesting, at least we're not trying to get the japs to talk!
Sensory depravation, prolonged sleep depravation and other psychological 'tricks' amount to psychological torture.
Not to mention slapping.
If we're to apply the CIA's argument that so long as it hurts but doesn't cause lasting damage it's okay, boy are we going to have fun. Electrodes to the testies anyone?
It amounts to torture, it's disgusting and it's completely unjustifiable.
sleep deprivation is one of the most agonising experiences ever, its why the chinese cut off eyelids
and they use extreme hypothermia(the cia) so much so the guy who recently got put in prison for planning 9-11 was made blue from hypothermia, believe that was wording of the CIA
how tehy can preach freedom is a load of bollocks, and frankly makes them just as bad as certain terroists
so making torture legal is alright
i ask one question - give me an example where torture was needed and worked.....
I do not agree with cutting off eyelids, electrodes to any part of the body, let alone testicles, violence, use of hypothermia, etc.
But keeping them awake then applying mind games to trick them into talking seems all fair to me.
You've obviously never been sleep deprived or suffered from insomnia. It's not a very pleasant experience, it leads to hallucinations and can make you feel quite ill.
yep I can draw a line quite easily between smashing someone's hands so hard with a sledgehammer or electrodes to the testicles and stuff like sensory deprivation etc.
To be honest if I'd be captured by most countries I'd have felt I'd have come off lucky if I was just slapped a few times and deprived of sleep.
You're right its not a pleasent experience - if it was a nice experience there'd be no incentive to talk. However I don't think its torture.
However, in a time of war I feel it can be justified. As there were thousands of Nazis intent on harming the British people there are now thousands of Islamists - many of these thousands even within our borders who are intent on the mass murder of British civilians. The threat from Islamic extremism is not limited to one or two underground fringe terrorist groups; there are thousands of people under surveillance by the police and there are thousands that pose a danger.
I fear there will be a cost to the actions of those championing the civil liberties of terrorists and I fear that it will be the mass murder of civilians.
(emphasis mine)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Torture
You're exagerrating a little bit.
Italics mine
we're at war?
ETA: if you're comparing WWII and the nazis to current affairs then you really are living in an alternate reality mate, wake up.
Sleep deprivation is severe mental suffering. You'd know that if you'd ever suffered from insomnia.
He's a tad deluded to say the least.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3376951.stm
http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGAMR510772004
I wish I was.
Terror police monitor thousands.
The Populus polls I have often spoke about suggest some very worryingly high percentages of Muslims hold some very extreme views. However, even though only 6% said the 7/7 terrorists were acting according to the 'true' principles of Islam and only 13% believed the 7/7 terrorists should be considered martyrs - that is still an enormous number of people. The Muslim community is a large minority in Britain.
While pollsters are not completely accurate and the Muslim community is not the easiest to poll it remains pretty undeniable that there are at the very minimum many thousands of Muslims that sympathise with terrorism. The intelligence services know that and have as good as admitted that to be the case; it's not any secret. Of course of these many thousands of supporters many will only go as far as verbal or financial support for terrorism; such people should still be arrested or deported but the immediate danger comes from those that are committed to actually carry out attacks.
Nor that it would matter if there were thousands, here or elsewhere. Civilised nations do not use torture. Regardless of the enemy or circumstances.
Anyone who believes in torture, that's their decision. But they must not delude themselves that they are civilised or much better than the enemy they fight.
Quite uncritical aren't you? You don't think that the government are above exagerrating the threat for political purposes? For instance, the recent plot to blow up airliners with liquid explosives is debunked here.
And I can't quite believe you're making a song and dance about 6% of people in a poxy poll? pfffft :rolleyes:
While there are undoubtedly Islamist nutters out there, the threat is very much exagerrated by the government and by people such as yourself who have an agenda to push.
P.S.
I think the 7/7 bombers could be considered martyrs too. Look up the defintion some time.
6% of 1.7m is a lot of people. Why don't you look up the poll in question on the Populus website before condemning it?
Anybody who rejects the fact that there is among British Muslims a large minority committed to barbaric and backward ideals that include terrorism is deluding themselves.