What would you do?

Former Member · September 2006

wheresmyplacebo wrote:

erm im against a lot of business practices, but im not against business as per such, and you cant just blindly ignore the views of one group no matter how silly they may seem, as sometimes they come up with okay views and ideas on how to deal with things

Opportunism. Socialists tend to ignor businesses especially when workers are being expoluted as like they currently are being.

wheresmyplacebo wrote:

dont put all your eggs in one basket springs to mind - that is most peoples' problem these days, they see things far too much in absolute! theres principles and theres good practice, which need to be balanced

Yeah but their beliefs can't contridict to what they say.

Former Member · September 2006

Luke are you sure your not a rascist? After all you do seem heavily pre-occupied with the influx of those dirty foreigners into the country.

Did you know that this countrys birth rate is lower than ever? Would you rather the population just declined or rather immigrants come in?

I bet you wouldnt have any problem if they were from Western Europe, the United States or Australia.

Former Member · September 2006

Renzo wrote:

Luke are you sure your not a rascist? After all you do seem heavily pre-occupied with the influx of those dirty foreigners into the country. .

Hey you said it, not me!

Renzo wrote:

Did you know that this countrys birth rate is lower than ever? Would you rather the population just declined or rather immigrants come in?

I bet you wouldnt have any problem if they were from Western Europe, the United States or Australia.

Again, nothing constructive to say on the issue.

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

But benefits weren’t the issue. It was the amount of them coming in.

no the newspapers were like "oh we dont have enoguh jobs so theyll start claiming benefits"

All of Poland’s skilled are coming here, I don’t see that as something positive for Poland in the near future.

we are getting people who are skilled in things we need, and the reason they leave is because they have a surplus over there, polands unemployment has fallen since the enlargement because they couldnt find work for their tradesmen there

See you don’t get it. The issue isn’t about whether they have jobs or whether they’re nice people or not. It’s how we can sustain the increase in immigration and the affects on the British people.

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no people i see who argue against immigration CONSTANTLY CHANGE their reasoning when shown to be wrong for one reason, which comes across as just saying "i dont want these foreigners here"

and in terms of population density, we arent THAT populated say compared to japan/china/s.korea

and it isnt immigrants responsible for the house price rises, it is mainly due to more 'natives' living alone and wanting to live in the south east, and more people trying to make money from housing from those stupid tv shows, even the USA and australia with their huge chunks of unused land have seen a huge jump in house prices, despite the fact australia has a tiny population (a third of ours) and america has so much usable land thats okay for building on - this would suggest it isnt immigration but a generic rise in house prices, due to good lending conditions so people are willing to try invest and make money

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

Hey you said it, not me!

Again, nothing constructive to say on the issue.

You dont seem to gather irony, im saying what you appear to think.

Avoiding the question. That means yes, you wouldnt have a problem with white immigrants.

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

So why are we ignoring history? Why is segregation and ghettos allowed?

Because you've got no right to tell people where they can and cannot live. If they want to live among people from their own country, who are you to tell them they can't? In fact, how is it any of your business at all?

Former Member · September 2006

Renzo wrote:

You dont seem to gather irony, im saying what you appear to think.

Avoiding the question. That means yes, you wouldnt have a problem with white immigrants.

I can't answer any of your quesitons because you catch me out on every occasion. dam, you're way too good for this! LOL pisser.

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

Opportunism. Socialists tend to ignor businesses especially when workers are being expoluted as like they currently are being.

most of us on here arent socialists a la communists, some are but many are just cynical of all people with power, like me - thats a british trait i reckon actually

Yeah but their beliefs can't contridict to what they say.

mine do when im shown to be wrong in my beliefs

Former Member · September 2006

I'm With Stupid wrote:

Because you've got no right to tell people where they can and cannot live. If they want to live among people from their own country, who are you to tell them they can't? In fact, how is it any of your business at all?

They must abide by the rules of the land as it is not their country. they must integrate to avoid alienation and future troubles.

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

I can't answer any of your quesitons because you catch me out on every occasion. dam, you're way too good for this! LOL pisser.

answer the question then luke, or are practising for newnight by watching micheal howard on the prison break story 15 years ago

if you actually gave a constructive answer people might be nicer

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

Immigration and asylum have risen to its highest level ever since the Labour government came to power – Fact.
The rules have been relaxed – Fact. Don’t you see the correlation?

And yet the economy has continued to grow year on year, and unemployment has remained relativly stable (one of the lowest levels in Europe). Tell us where the problem is again? Maybe a few housing issues, but nothing major.

Teh_Gerbil · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

They must abide by the rules of the land as it is not their country. they must integrate to avoid alienation and future troubles.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Aye, I can agree with this. But not the rest of highly xenophobic stance.

Immigration has been, and still is, good for the British economy. In this case, it seems you are ignoring this... to pursue somesort of other agenda?

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

They must abide by the rules of the land as it is not their country. they must integrate to avoid alienation and future troubles.

i havent seen any major crime rise associated with all the nw eastern europeans here, have you......

all i have seen is more shops selling their produce

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

They must abide by the rules of the land as it is not their country. they must integrate to avoid alienation and future troubles.

I'm lead to believe that the rules of the land are that people are free to choose which house they purchase or rent. Has that changed without me knowing?

Former Member · September 2006

Teh_Gerbil wrote:

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Aye, I can agree with this. But not the rest of highly xenophobic stance.

Immigration has been, and still is, good for the British economy. In this case, it seems you are ignoring this... to pursue somesort of other agenda?

You have ignored what i've said through this thread then? I have never said that immigration is bad or bad for the country.

Former Member · September 2006

wheresmyplacebo wrote:

answer the question then luke, or are practising for newnight by watching micheal howard on the prison break story 15 years ago

if you actually gave a constructive answer people might be nicer

No - I can't be bothered with that looser.

Former Member · September 2006

I'm With Stupid wrote:

And yet the economy has continued to grow year on year, and unemployment has remained relativly stable (one of the lowest levels in Europe). Tell us where the problem is again? Maybe a few housing issues, but nothing major.

A few houses? I doubt it. Why is the government so keen to build hundred's of thousand house sin the south east?

Unemployment is the highest since 2000.

Former Member · September 2006

I'm With Stupid wrote:

I'm lead to believe that the rules of the land are that people are free to choose which house they purchase or rent. Has that changed without me knowing?

The laws of the land are acts coming from Parliament.

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

No - I can't be bothered with that looser.

You're a very immature person. Maybe I'd take you seriously if you were willing to answer questions, but you're not. I don't even know why I bother trying to question your bigotted views, you only avoid the questions and prove your prejudices.

FYI: Its spelled 'Loser'

Former Member · September 2006

Renzo wrote:

You're a very immature person. Maybe I'd take you seriously if you were willing to answer questions, but you're not. I don't even know why I bother trying to question your bigotted views, you only avoid the questions and prove your prejudices.

That is why I can't be bothered with you as all you ever do is call me racist. So let's make a joint agreement and ignor each other? Cool.

Renzo wrote:

FYI: Its spelled 'Loser'

I used two o's for emphasis

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

Unemployment is the highest since 2000.

And the number in work is it's highest levels ever. Unemployment is at it's highest level since 2000, yes, but the percentage unemployed then was tiny, and it's still only 5.5% which is pretty damn low. Far off being the crisis that you would think all these immigrants would cause if you were to believe some members of the press.

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

The laws of the land are acts coming from Parliament.

Thanks for that info. Tell me again why you believe a law should be introduced to prevent people from choosing where they would like to rent or buy a house?

Former Member · September 2006

I'm With Stupid wrote:

And the number in work is it's highest levels ever. Unemployment is at it's highest level since 2000, yes, but the percentage unemployed then was tiny, and it's still only 5.5% which is pretty damn low. Far off being the crisis that you would think all these immigrants would cause if you were to believe some members of the press.

Who's talking about the press?

I am talking about that since immigration has massively increased so has the unemployment level.

Former Member · September 2006

I'm With Stupid wrote:

Thanks for that info. Tell me again why you believe a law should be introduced to prevent people from choosing where they would like to rent or buy a house?

I don't believe that?

Former Member · September 2006

Aladdin wrote:

What else could I blame when there are people out there like yourself who actually believe there is a problem with immigration?

Someone has to be putting such absurd and untrue ideas in your head.

Judging by this poll, most British people are worried about the current immigration crisis.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03092006/143/poll-backs-cap-eu-workers.html

You claim the British public doesn't mind.
"A new poll has shown strong public support for limits to be put on the number of new migrant workers. "

Dam you must be on of the very tiny 4%. lol!
"Only four per cent believed ministers have immigration under control"

Check this one out...
"Eight out of 10 respondents said that migrants took jobs from British workers"

Aladdin, now, stop kidding your self and get real!

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

A few houses? I doubt it. Why is the government so keen to build hundred's of thousand house sin the south east?

Unemployment is the highest since 2000.

still the lowest in europe, and doing quite well compared to USA, canada and australia also because we have a healthy labour market

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

Judging by this poll, most British people are worried about the current immigration crisis.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/03092006/143/poll-backs-cap-eu-workers.html

You claim the British public doesn't mind.
"A new poll has shown strong public support for limits to be put on the number of new migrant workers. "

Dam you must be on of the very tiny 4%. lol!
"Only four per cent believed ministers have immigration under control"

Check this one out...
"Eight out of 10 respondents said that migrants took jobs from British workers"

Aladdin, now, stop kidding your self and get real!

luke i ask you - what do you propose this governmet should do then......

itell us what you think is wrong, and what you think should be done, ill happily debate with you...... you dont seem to say what you would like to see done, or what you think the problem is

Former Member · September 2006

wheresmyplacebo wrote:

still the lowest in europe, and doing quite well compared to USA, canada and australia also because we have a healthy labour market

But my complaints of immiration is not those facts of course but the loing term affects it will do to this country.

Such as lack of housing, over use of our public services to name a few.

Former Member · September 2006

wheresmyplacebo wrote:

luke i ask you - what do you propose this governmet should do then......

itell us what you think is wrong, and what you think should be done, ill happily debate with you...... you dont seem to say what you would like to see done, or what you think the problem is

All I am saying is that most of the British public have excat same concerns as me. I'm often labelled racist around here so I assume the lot of us are then (British people)?

I've already said what the problem is, how on earth do I get called racist so many times?? lol

I have stated solutions so many times too but these also get called racist.

Former Member · September 2006

luke88 wrote:

But my complaints of immiration is not those facts of course but the loing term affects it will do to this country.

Such as lack of housing, over use of our public services to name a few.

Hang on a minute. A minute ago it was the unemployment levels that were the issue, and now someone's proved that we actually have very low unemployment, you're suddenly going onto another issue? It seems you've come up with your opinion first, then have just gone out looking for evidence to support you POV. Stick with unemployment. So since despite the huge influx of immigrants, the UK still has the lowest unemployment levels in Europe, what's the problem again?

What would you do?

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