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Government to identify 'Potential Trouble Makers Of The Future'
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Link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5301824.stm
This story is a bit scary really.
"Tomorrow's potential troublemakers can be identified even before they are born, Tony Blair has suggested.
Mr Blair said it was possible to spot the families whose circumstances made it likely their children would grow up to be a "menace to society".
He said teenage mums and problem families could be forced to take help to head off difficulties"
Seems we are indeed moving ever closer to a big brother state. Whats next? Prosecuting people before they've had a chance to commit a crime?
Worrying times we live in.
And is this further evidence of this governments contempt and seeming hatred for the young, on which it seems to blame most of this countrys problems?
* Why don't my links ever work?
This story is a bit scary really.
"Tomorrow's potential troublemakers can be identified even before they are born, Tony Blair has suggested.
Mr Blair said it was possible to spot the families whose circumstances made it likely their children would grow up to be a "menace to society".
He said teenage mums and problem families could be forced to take help to head off difficulties"
Seems we are indeed moving ever closer to a big brother state. Whats next? Prosecuting people before they've had a chance to commit a crime?
Worrying times we live in.
And is this further evidence of this governments contempt and seeming hatred for the young, on which it seems to blame most of this countrys problems?
* Why don't my links ever work?
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tbh although i don't think that a 'nanny state' is such a bad idea: it could have saved a lot of harm i'm sure for a number of families in the past, my family inc. if people are forced to take help then its not just at the parents decision to seek help. parents who abuse their children and therefore set their kids up for trouble in later life now would obviously oppose help. so if the goverment force peole to seek help, it HAS to be beneficial imo. but then of course we start with how help is not ever avaliable... etc...
Which makes this pathetic. I'm sure there are many people out there like you who fit that but aren't trouble makers.
Helping these people should be a top priority, as you only get people to respect the community they live in if they are made to feel part of that community. Include people in society and they stop acting outside of, and against, society.
Sadly Blair's solution seems to be exclude these people from society even further. Because that will work.
Mr Blair is trying to introduce this varying laws so that he can piss off as many people as possible to such an extent that they will decide to move out of the UK and go somewhere else.
It's population control. Simple as!!
my family DEFINITLY needed help and intervention. but okay i've not turned out to be a trouble maker / any problem to society.
The traditional thugs are those who's parents are thugs them selves. It's a cycle. Just like my estate. My generation are now like their parents and their babeis will turn out like them. I just hope some of the kids do actually see there is life to the shite whole we live on, like I did.
Oh definitely.
The underclass breeds the underclass, and putting them in prison won't change that. Helping them get out of the hole will.
Education, access to resources, ambition. The usual suspects.
Children from poorer families are at an immediate disadvantage, as their parents are unable to teach them pre-school. They're already at 1-2 years disadvantage by the time they're 5, and its a gap they can't close. Sent to the sink schools because they don't live in a good catchment area, they don't perform at school, don't get any qualifications, and can't get a decent job.
You're not going to respect and love the society that gives you a till monkey job at Tesco's as the pinnacle of your career.
I have been edcuated badly but I can't help having crap education but I have got where I wanted (A top university! ). Going to a bad school is no excuse for not getting away. It's tough, believe you me. It's been so fucking tough for me. But in a few weeks time, when I'm at university, the feeling is goping to be unbearabley good.
Back on the topic:
What education do you propose exactly?
True words.
Right way to identif the situation here. Complete failiure to grasp it and offer the right kind of help.
God, this government sure is screwing our country quite royally. See... this is what happens when you try to appease everyone. You achieve a hell of alot of nothing.
Luke - good luck at Uni. Maybe broaden your horizons a bit...?
I'd suggest an education tailored to what people enjoy. With calculators and spellcheckers the 3 Rs are far less important than learning a trade, learning something that you want to do and that pays a good wage. All the obsessing about GCSE results damages people, it creates an artificial success/failure divide, and it stops capable people doing things.
GCSEs are designed so that a certain number of people must fail, what good does that do people exactly? Instead of pissing about with pointless science and French lessons, why not get people learning about cars, about electrics, about plumbing? I'm an educated man, I've got good A'levels and a good degree, but I can safely say I haven't used a single thing I learned during my compulsory science lessons in 8 years. And learning about boring pedantic shite like Shakespeare is a waste of time and energy.
Half of the "lower" lot at our school went to college instead of School once it was known they wern't going to do well at GCSE, and did things like motor mechanics instead.
But wh even bother at all still putting them through GCSEs? One of them sat at his desk, wrote his name on the paper, then went to sleep.
Totally worth it.
Anyway Thanks for the luck.
Same here. My parents used to read to me most nights when I was younger.
Indeed.
It does no good at all.
Not all science lessons are pointless. says me who never actually learnt anything because they decided to put me in a set with people who were doing a totally different thing
How can we defer them from this? I blame the parents, the solution has to lie with parenting.
However, many children who you'd never ever think would turn out into scum bags did eventually when exposed to even more of them at secondary school. Peer pressure takes it's toll and they give up and end up like them. I don't think the education system in general is the problem. It is quite diverse now with many subejcts on offer. Furthermore, I would not like Maths, English nor Science dropped until a child reaches 16 since these subjects are vital.
I feel, from my experience, lies with the lack of direction, the lack of discipline before the child becomes out of line, respect for education and teachers and respect for one another. they will always be scum bags but the system has let so many kids down who were bright but got caught up through liberalism. That's just my opinion.
No probs. What language you doing, if you don't mind me asking? And you get the damn Student Bar... cheap drinks all night!
Interestingly... trying to indentify potential trouble makers... I bet they won't watch all the rich people children... who often prove to be just as bad, because daddy is nice and influential and can get them out of allsorts.
having said that, despite my background, i'm at university now and hopefully next year will be a graduate with a degree behind me.
Yeah hope to see £1 a pint like I have done in Stoke on student night :yippe:
Yep. You don't have to be poor to be a trouble maker.
Good luck mate, enjoy it, you've worked for it.
Oh, yes, that is undoubtably an issue as well. The single parents are off at work, the child is alone - doing what it pleases with no-one to discipline it or instill values. Even the parents who stay at home, aren't allowed to smack a child anymore for fear of abuse charges, whilst real child abuse seems often ignored.
Discipline is an issue that needs addressing. But it isn't the WHOLE issue. Plus the ever lax attitude to anti-social behaviour (What fucking good does an ASBO do? None at all).
Of course failure is a bad thing and it gets you nowhere. It also puts alot of pressure on people.
BUt for what you're saying you're spot on.
Again i agree with you again.
Although I do believe discipline is a big thing in a persons life it is not the only thing.
Life is hard, get used to it.
If you fail, try again.
i agree tho' anyhting you want is worth working for. even if that means a few attempts.
not everyhting comes easy to everyoine