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great point.
It's a real tragedy that the silent majority of Muslims who don't preach hatred or plot mass murder, who don't despise Christians and Jews and who don't beat up their wives are having their reputation tarnished by an unfortunately sizeable minority of other Muslims. All of us know extremely decent Muslims, to think that a few of my friends while secular are getting tarred with the same brush as the extremists is sickening. I've been going to the same barber since I was a toddler, he's Moroccan and one of the nicest and most decent people around. It is tragic that Muslims who have been here for years and who love this country are feeling unwelcome. Muslims really have just as much as anyone else to lose from the fundamentalists. It seems to have been almost forgotten that the 7/7 terrorists targeted Edgware Road - nobody could ever say that they went out of their way to spare Muslims. For our security and safety and for the sake of the many decent Muslims we need to stand up to the extremists; so far the government hasn't really done that. We turn a blind eye to forced marriages, we tolerate the hateful preachers and the government cannot bring itself to condemn extreme elements within 'moderate' Muslim organisations like the Muslim Council of Britain, the Islamic Human Rights Commission and MPAC - genuinely progressive and moderate groups like the Sufi Muslim Council meanwhile barely get a look in. (But then many say we did a similar thing in NI, courting Sinn Fein and ignoring the SDLP).
Regarding these two people on the plane it's very sad but a witch hunt against the passengers is a bit simplistic. We need to look at the bigger picture, we need to reiterate that we're not at war with Islam itself - we need to strengthen our ties with Muslim allies abroad and support moderates here. Unfortunately - as the Respect Party, the Stop the War Coalition and Ken Livingstone show there's a lot of people that just don't get it and instead of isolating the extremists they give them a platform.
Isn't it? This may be news to you but Western-sponsored violent aggression against Muslim countries and regions isn't a phenomenon of the past few years either, US/UK foreign policy in general hasn't changed all that much in the last few decades it's just a lot less subtle.....
He's probably just going to carry on, but what if he doesn't..?
Not really getting that point...you may not feel overjoyed about it, but you wouldn't run up to him spraying pepper spray in his face and call 999 just because he happened to be a man, would you?
The whole thing is that not all men rape women, but women are still uncomfortable around men when they are vunerable and alone.
But that comparison doesnt work, because that man walking towards you didnt just go through really tight security, then have loads of people around him watching.
There's a difference between feeling uncomfortable, and presuming someone is a rapist because they happen to be walking down the road. Some people need to get a grip (not meaning you particularly), but this is all somehow drifting away from the point of the thread.
You'd kick a guy in the nuts for walking down the road?
:eek:
And personally, I don't consider myself to be vulnerable and alone if I happen to be walking home/somewhere at night, and don't presume men are going to follow/rape me. But thanks for speaking for all women.
ETA: It was a figure of speech PussyKatty. I'm glad you feel so confident on your own, congratulations
Sad stereotyping and media induced hysteria leading to prejudice and bigotry IMO.
I'm not saying that, I just said you can't speak for all women in the world.
I always thought you were a man for some reason.
You know, understandable does not always equate to excusable.
You've also brought in another comparison, one that is even less relevant, but hey, shop-keepers already ban groups of school kids from shops because they cause trouble.
No, its the same as a black man walking into a shop and the shop keeper forcing him to leave, then empty all his pockets and bags and go through two days of questioning about why he wanted to enter the shop.
I get that a lot, I don't really know why though.
The question is why won't the muslim community do it? Are they really true believers of extremism or they scared?
If the person living next to you was making a bomb, would you know?
They're part of our community. We ought to know what they're up to, right?
To go totally off topic I was always taught as a chap if I'm either walking behind or towards a woman on her own when its dark to cross to the other side of the road
Now I agree that religion benefits millions of people but I'm starting to feel like just banning the lot of it. It's not gona happen and if it did people would have faith in their own way. But a few generations down the line, religion could be non existant. I've always believed religion is great for their followers but lately, i've been feeling slight anger over extremists. That's how I feel right now and it's not fair on innocent religous people. But it's also not fair for people that have to put up with religious nuts, being scared and the risks of attacks.
Most of us do and most of us condemn them. Unfortunately there's always a few leaders in the majority community who say 'well its kinda wrong, but well its excusable because they believe in the cause/they were oppressed' etc, etc.
Every time there was a loyalist murder I fully expected the leaders in my community to condemn in utterly - not say it was wrong, but you've to understand that the Protestants have been having a hard time from the IRA recently.
The jumping on the bandwagon syndrome perhaps?
Except these white animal rights terrorists, crime bosses and drug dealers you speak of don't all go to the same Church along with the decent law-abiding white Christian majority. Er hardly any of this white Christian majority even attend Church. In case of the Muslim community mosque attendance is a much higher percentage. Indeed, a lot of the extremists and moderates attend the same mosques. The Muslim community is nowhere near as ignorant of extremism as 'community leaders' repeatedly claim although I think there is a fear on part of the many decent moderates to speak out.
But seriously, u never know whn it could happen. I was mugged by 3 people last year and the shock of it happening was intense. It's wasn't down some dark alley, it was on a main road and the sun was just setting. You really never know. And now I never walk in risky places to try and reduce the risk but you cant avoid everywhere, when you just dont know where it could happen.
if you are a victim of crime, then the statistics are 100% for you
If you banned religion it wouldn't go away. It's human nature to believe in a higher power.