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Interesting aspect when discussing this issue though, is what is the father's say in such a situation? Should he get a say? That's much more interesting in my opinion.
It probably does, a lot of things resuly in excommunication, catholics are a bit odd IMO
In an ideal world where relationships are ideal, the partner would be informed and fully supportive. Sadly, this isn't the case. Allowing men the right to know of their partner's abortion would put the most vulnerable minorities at risk, and would then bring about issues such as cases where there is more than one suspected father, or the man who raped a woman and got her pregnant etc.
It's not ideal, but then it's just not possible to fulfill two people's wishes if those wishes are conflicting, and the very bottom line is that the female is the one who is pregnant.
Not really, Catholics have their own ideas on how people should live their lives. Catholics don't believe in sleeping about, they don't believe in sex before marriage. Their stance against abortion is in relation to how married couples should live and isn't odd IMO.
Excellent point :yes:
Only because you lot keep asking the same questions.:banghead:
go_away, I'm interested in persuing the discussion on male rights with you. While I can see what you're saying, it's fair to say that the issue is the result of 50/50 deposit (as it were) so shouldn't there be a 50/50 division in decision rights?
No offence
No, because the gestation is occuring in the woman's body, not the man's. If men could get pregnant, and carry pregnancies to term, the decision between gestation or termination would lie with them.
Erm, of course, Catholics believe in the Bible plus dogma whereas Protestants are usually Ecclesiastic.
I am trying to do that, but all I get from you lot is more questions or criticism.
Exactly
you cant half go through with it and half not.
In a good relationship, people will talk about what theyd do should an unwanted pregnancy arise, or what would happen if they found out their baby was disabled, and come to a decision between them before the event even happened. Having said that, sometimes there are disagreements and the two dont agree, but when it boils down to it, its got to be the choice of the woman because shes the one gestating it. Its a bit of a shitter for a guy if he really wanted to be a dad and the woman doesnt want the baby, theres no denying that, and in some cases obviously the woman will have the baby anyway, but you cant make that law, its unethical.
Every trimester of pregnancy can affect the woman's life in different ways, not just mobility and activity.
and everything else that comes with pregnancy. (during & after)
After birth, it's a split responsiblity, at least, it would be if the father wanted a child so much no?
ETA: Basically, what I'm driving at is how is it fair that the father's wishes be ignored, even if he actually wants a child and is 50% responsible for it's potential existance.
I don't think anyone said it was fair. But life ain't fair. If I knew a guy was strongly against abortion, then I wouldn't have sex with him. I don't see how any of that justifies making a woman carry to term against her will, even if the guy was prepared to raise it, make financial contributions etc.
To be honest, especially from what I see in the clinic, most men who wouldn't want their partner to abort aren't informed of that decision.
What the hell has that got to do with anything? The Catholic Church didn't add or take away from it, they wrote their own writings according to their dogma but that has nothing to do with the Bible. Why exactly should it matter if some of their teachings are contradictory to the Bible? The don't proclaim to be based soley on the Bible so it doesn't matter, if people choose to follow them and their beliefs on abortion and whatever then it's none of your business.
I think you're probably right, seems like there's not really a lot to discuss here. Though I do think it's a shame that women will be commited enough to a relationship to sleep with a guy, but not honest enough to tell him they're pregnant and are getting an abortion, and will continue to see said guy without saying anything.
People sometimes think that pregnancy and childbirth is just a walk in the park. Get pregnant - no worries, breeze along, get a bit fat, out pops baby, and if you dont fancy it, just give it to someone else.
Im afraid it doesnt work like that.