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Since you have been (rightly) publicly very critical of instances of racism yet are very soft in your criticism of blatant anti-Semitism on these boards I don't really think you're one to talk about prejudices. I hope it is only your response that is different and there is no case of you viewing the two differently.
But what I meant, as you probably knew all along, is that it is wrong and innacurate to describe all suicide bombers as religious fanatics who are blowing themselves up for a reward in heaven.
Fact is, many do it because they have suffered unspeakable hardship and misery at the hands of others and many have even seen loved ones senselessly murder with the international community doing nothing about it.
That doesn't justify murdering civilians of course, but I am not surprise some people decide to go that way. Everyone has a breaking point.
Probably around the same number as you. How do you know that university graduates, doctors and women blow themselves up because they believe they will be rewarded with virgins in heaven?
It wouldn't have anything to do with being abused and humiliated their entire existence by a murderous foreign invader, perhaps?
Those ones were brainwashed. Not too difficult a thing to do when someone is really angry about something.
Give it another couple of decades and you will see them coming.
I'm sure it's not because of lack of wanting in a few cases.
It might help to understand why some people choose to go down that route.
Sorry, what the fuck are you wanking on about now? Where exactly have I been soft on blatant anti-semitism? Please back that up or shut up.
Oh and if you're referring to turlough's comment? Who the fuck do you think reported it to the mods?
And er how does that apply to those behind 9/11, 7/7 and these latest planned atrocities?
Who invaded or occupied the British Muslim terrorists that carried out 7/7? Or these planned attacks that were recently foiled?
You really think the many persecuted people in say; Zimbabwe and Burma want to blow themselves up?
Why did the abused in the Soviet Union never resort to blowing themselves up? Why didn't Martin Luther King and African Americans resort to suicide bombing? Surely the rationale you're applying to Muslim terrorists applied to them? Or were they not abused and humiliated?
Yet all your talk of occupation by a foreign power doesn't even apply to the British Muslims that carried out 7/7 or planned to carry out these recent attacks. No 'foreign' power occupied or abused them...
Since I'm not a mod I'm not privy to who reported the comment to the mods...Either way if somebody made the comment except regarding Muslims or regarding black communities I doubt you'd brush it off as 'pissed and trolling.' Meh, it was a pointless comment of mine in response to a similarly pointless and unconstructive post of yours.
You don't fool anyone dis.
I have absolutely no general anti-Muslim feelings and I suggest you retract that ridiculous insinuation given your inability to support it with fact.
See above.
If they went through what the Palestinians have gone through, perhaps they would.
Different circumstances, motivation and tactics. In any case there have always been people from all backgrounds and beliefs prepared to die for the cause they feel strongly about- the only difference is how they die.
As I said above I'm not suggesting all suicide bombers are like that. I have simply said that the 72 virgins issue is largely bollocks.
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It's actually become hysterical. Ah well, sticks and stones and the like.
Let me ask you something, for the sake of an argument.
Do you think that a suicide bomber (whatever their background, religion) is able of making a rational decision. Can you call someone who is prepared to kill themselves and others in the name of his beliefs/receivd persecution/religion a rational person?
Religion is very important to muslims. For them to commit such an act, surely they must believe in a higher right and that their actions will be welcomed by Allah?
As for Palestinians, a great number of the suicide bombers were later shown to be educated young people and their acts described as ones of desperation.
I would argue they were recruited by Hamas and brainwashed...
If you go back to the Kamikaze pilots, they were embracing death as they believed they were the weapons of gods who flew with the wind and destroyed the enemies of the empire, while all the time believing strongly in afterlife (kami).
While none of these people might have believed in 72 virgins, I am sure that they do believe in some kind of absolution of their sins by their gods!
As long as it's not CK Contradiction, I'll be fine. Contradiction is my cryptonite.
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I'd like to know what you mean by motives as well?
A motive for disliking or disagreeing with something, what what kind of motive?
To me a 'motive' is just another term of justifying Islamic facists.
Those Israeli soldiers seen on TV wearing skullcaps and devoutedly praying moments before they start to fire shells into towns and villages are just as fanatic and irrational if they think any God would approve of them murdering people just because they see themselves as devout believers.
In many cases it's more likely suicide bombers approached Hamas and volunteered for a suicide bombing.
Given what some people have been put through it's not surprising really. A lifetime at the receiving end of pure evil, abuses and hardship turns to make people do things they wouldn't otherwise consider.
Many will, yes. But the same can be said of anyone else. I'm sure IDF members shooting little Palestinian schoolgirls in the head or F16 pilots blowing civilian apartment blocks and knowing they have killed many innocent civilians believe they are the Chosen Ones and that God approves their slaughtering of the infidels.
One more reason to dislike all organised religions. They have been the one consistent problem in the area since biblical times.
I also feel your 'outrage' if any to anti jewish actions is very soft, infact, I've never ever seen you condone anti-semitic attacks.
Are you familiar with the likes of ETA, IRA, Black September, Grapo and hundreds of similar groups? Or are you just blinded by your hatred of all things Muslim?
I am fed up of the soft treatment muslims get. It angers me.
Of course.
I was talking about suicide bombers. What those Israeli's are doing is clearly murder incited by their religious beliefs.
I would disagree slightly. It's more likely that Hamas are making themselves available to anyone who might have a thought of blowing himself and others up. A side point I was trying to make was that an educated person would realize that violence breeds violence. And one can argue that as much as it's Israel's fault for all the suffering, Hamas has not helped the matter and has encouraged the terrorism (even in the name of resistance)
Again, they are probably, many of them, fanatics.
But I was talking about suicide bombers.
And always will be until there is nothing left to fight over.
Yes, you never see me condone them because in fact I think they're out of order.
Hint: get a dictionary.
He's doing it to get a rise out of people like you. Immature and foolish, yes. Racist? No. That's why I didn't pick him up publicly on it. I did however report the post to the mods.
Now, you on the other hand, have a track record of being borderline racist. Turlough doesn't.
What do you think "War on terror" is?
And what do you think George W. Bush means by saying "War on terror"?
I asked what you thought "War on terror" meant... not the definition of it.
So the war on terror is not against all terrorism, just the islamic portion of it???
And how is that different to putting on a costume(say khaki in colour), grabbing a gun and being prepared to kill AND DIE for " your country" ?