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i only need to look at one my sisters ex-boyfriends mum, she started getting incapacity benefit at age 21 for depression and hasnt worked for 40 years since, even tho in that time she's got married, had children and lived a happy life off tax payers money!
yup pretty much.
even these scummers you see in the paper wanting a 6 bed council house cos they cant keep their dicks in their pants and would consider getting divorced just so they can get 2 bigger houses?
im not saying put them in nursery straight from birth, but once they are a few months old going to nursery a few days a week isnt doing much harm, in fact i'd say it'd probably help development if they interacting with more people.
well maybe people should start thinking a bit more, even if they are unemployed they can still get free contraception in this country thank god. and its one of those circles of scum that you see, their parents dont work, the kids then never work and breed till there hearts contempt. pisses me right off, see it all the time round these parts.
Its because people like you think your view is right and other peoples are wrong. i may not have the same opinion as you but can understand why you would think such things.
They basically want to have a fun life 24/7 without having to work. Thats what I was trying to say.
And there are people who actually have a drink problem. Any idea who George Best is?
Things that are "common knowledge" are often wrong. Like it being "common knowledge" in some areas that asylum seekers get mobile phones and driving lessons for example. Yes, there are a lot of people on IS/IB. It can suit the government to have people on those rather than JSA as they then don't count on the unemployment figures. Someone on another bulletin board I frequent said that lots of people were put on IB/IS after the coal mines were closed to keep the unemployment figures down - there were no other jobs for them to go to.
OCD can be a massive problem, it can be practically disabling. Attention deficit I agree is over diagnosed, but its often a lazy diagnosis for complex emotional problems. By the way, what is your qualification for saying that these things never used to cause people problems?
Being depressed does not stop people getting married and having kids y'know. I would agree that there isn't enough help for people with mental health problems, therapy is non-existent in a lot of places. This is not the fault of your sisters ex-boyfriends mum though. I would also wager that you really don't know the full story.
Fair enough. Odd though.
So one or two people in a tabloid is a good basis for your argument is it?
No, its not healthy for children's development.
You appear to have a very very simple view of people. Unemployment is not really the fault of the individual, it is a massive social problem. Blaming individuals for the failings of the economy, of governments and society is a pretty shitty thing to do.
Of course I think my view is right. I'm not gonna hold a view I think is wrong am I?
I understand why you might think the way you do too. I just happen to think you're wrong.
Drinking all day every day is fun? I know when I used to drink heavily and not work, I was having fun on the surface, but underneath I was self medicating against depression and alienation. People are complex, you really don't know what's going on for them unless you really talk to people - and even then you often don't know - they might not even know themselves. They might just know that they feel a bit crappy and drinking makes them feel better.
He was an alcoholic, which is what you're talking about.:rolleyes:
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I already read what you wrote. And you're going on about drinking and people with drinking problems. How exactly does that NOT have anything to do with alcoholics?
Theres take a while off, & there's a 23 y/o who hasn't done a single days work since he left school at 16, who admits he doesn't want to work at all.
Wouldn't that be a perfect life... He has gotten in the habit of knowing that he can claim benefits & dont have to work. The benefit system is there for people that need it.
If someone said to you that you dont ever have to work again because you can just sign on, would you accept that?
That would get boring after a while, tbh. And personally, I'd prefer to earn my money.
Healthy well adjusted people want to do things, its in our nature. However those things are not always the things that pay the rent. Most people have things they like doing - writing, music, art, computers, whatever. Things that are creative, that enable us to realise our full potential. Unfortunately, we live in a society where people are forced into doing shit jobs just to afford to live. If someone doesn't want to work in a shit job, then fair enough IMO. They'll eventually find something they want to do and do it and get paid for it. Or they'll have an utterly miserable life.
But I'm not going to leave up future posts that are talking about a wider politcal positon, especially when revolting terms like 'circles of scum' are starting to be used.
That isn't what this section is for, if someone wants to post a link to a thread they start feel free, otherwise don't waste a lot of time on a debating reply that will just be deleted
EDIT: I signed off after a few days.
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And not lazy people who just can't bothered to get jobs who can?
I agree. However, the reasons why people can't (or feel they can't) are many and varied and not always obvious.
Fairynuff.
I think its a really shit idea. I worked 'cos I wanted to - I also was involved in setting the cafe up. Forcing people to work when they don't want to/can't is a really bad idea.
koe a lot of your views are very narrow minded.. would i be right in assuming you're not from a working class area?
Not sure I understand the problem here - unless you are also looking at the additional benefits which come from being on IS, free Prescriptions, housing benefit etc.
There isn't much which you can do for only £20 per week and you might want to consider doing something voluntary until you decide what you really want to do with your life.
Having said that, if you are able to work then perhaps finding something with a greater income than IS would be a better solution. Personally I worked for six years before I found the perfect career for me, but I paid my own way while I was looking and certainly that helps with pride and dignity...
Disability Living Allowance is not taken into account when calculating housing benefit, and it seems to increase the amount of rent the council will take into account, so it might be worth checking that out.