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Ah but you don't get it MR... the IRA and the Catholic community in NI are not evil Muslims. You cannot just bomb them like that.
Dirty Arabs on the other hand...
morrocan roll wrote:
thats what i'm begining to suspect.
the N.I conflict is different from what we have here.
It took you this long?
MoK and the rest of the war criminal apologists in this thread might as well justify the wholesale destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto since those resident were, by the same manner of propagandistic excuse making of that era, threatening the safety and welfare of the German people by fighting back against their oppressors.
But of course, being the supposed "singularly unique archetype of evil" ingrained into the Western public psyche, I'm sure MoK will circumvent all similarity of principle between that example and the present display by Israel of documented crimes against against humanity as set forth in the Nuremberg Principles, because after all, those were Jewish vicitms and these are just those Arabs the public has been conditioned to view as less than human.
More cognitive dissonance at its most transparent.
Dear Wendy wrote:
Aladdin, no I do not condone the killing of civilians and truly feel sorry for them.
But I do believe that Israel was right in taking action. Though maybe it could have been done in another way. I don't know.
Such as the items to be found on the shelves of Selfridges and Harrods
The Telegraph might no longer be owned by Black but the paper remains as pro-zionist as ever.
I reckon the evil hand of Barbara Amiel is still pulling the strings there.
There might be some grey areas, sure, but some are clear cut. M&S has massive links with Israeli suppliers. Caterpillar sells Israel custom-made armoured bulldozers for ethnic cleansing (not that I'm thinking of buying one anyway). Sara Lee is another obvious one.
But there is some progress already. One of the sites I was browsing earlier tells that ''due to customer pressure'' Tesco is phasing out Israeli peppers
And how many Arabs has that put out of a job?
How far has that pushed Israel further into a corner?
How much sucour has that offered to radicals on the Palestinian side who don't feel any need to compromise?
Isn't the boycotting symptomatic of the collective punishment mentality that you so deplore in the actions of the IDF?
Some Israeli farmer is not deserving of being punished for the actions of the IDF in the same way that the people of Lebanon are not guilty for the kidnapping of Israeli military by Hizbullah surely?
Anyone ever thought that these guys are going to start world war three, over something stupid and simple
and this time it isnt going to be franz ferdinand, it will be the arctic monkeys
Not many I should think.
Not far enough. For it to have an effect a lot more people have to join.
But then it's not just about trying to change things. It's about having a conscience and not wanting to support a State that commits terrible crimes against other people.
I doubt it has much of an effect on the Palestinians either way.
But it is certainly nice to let them know a lot of people in the West do not approve of their governments' cowardly stance towards the conflict
I'd have thought that it would be pretty important to find out - given that most of the people employed in picking them will be unskilled labour and disproportionately Arab.
Why are you just boycotting israel then? why not boycott the states which allow their territory to be used to launch rocket attacks against civilian populations? Why not boycott China? Or Cuba, come to that? Did you used to boycott the Eastern Block countries?
and that if they continue in their path, hellbent though it is on destruction (self as much as towards Israel) that they will have your support?
MoK and the rest of the war criminal apologists
I'm sure MoK will circumvent all similarity of principle between that example and the present display by Israel
Actually it has. Israel and Hezbollah have once before exchanged bodies/prisoners.
There aren't even any rockets MoK.
If everyone agreed that both sides are as bad as each other and that they both need dealt with appropriately there would not be a problem.
But we have the leaders of the free world keeping quiet if not openly defending the actions of one while condeming the actions of the other.
That is another root cause of the conflict lasting for so long. One side is permanently left unchecked to do pretty much anything it pleases.
Boycotting Israel seems a bit useless anyway as the US will just give them more cash...
Man Of Kent wrote:
But not when they are also sharing weaponry....
So what is exploding in Haifa?
Agreed. So when are we going to see equal condemation? When are you going to post pictures of damaged Israeli buildings and metion the number of Israeli who have been killed?
Or don't those lives matter to you?
I don't disagree. So why are the lines on these board also so divided, if it is that easy?
What you really mean is that you want the "world leaders" to openly condemn Israel to the same degree (although I suspect that you want them cemndened to a greater degree) and yet you cannot do the same as you want from them.
The South Beirut neighbourhood was flattened because Hezbollah "has its HQ there"- which usually means an office in a flat. They destroyed many buildings over a large area. There is no military justification whatsoever for that. The attack was a deliberate attempt to terrorise and to kill innocent people.
Yet one side is comitting by far more serious crimes, by a long, long mile, and it doesn't get any criticism whatsoever from some. Even though it deserves not as much blame, but yes, a lot more blame than the other side.
If a kid from a council state throws a stone at a policeman and the police responds by sending 200 coppers through the state and beating the shit out of every kid on sight, would you say both sides deserve the same amount of blame?
Attacking enemy HQ's is certainly militarily justified. I think you might mean morally, which a) isn't the same thing b) may not be true if taking out the enemy control shortens the fighting and saves lives in the long term
That's because you're missing the context. If the Middle East had been Eden up until a few days ago and then suddenly Israel out of the blue launches an unprovoked attack on its neighbours you may have a point. But that's not the true state of affairs, since 1948 Israel has been fighting for its existence. Its been at war, either singularly or together with the armed forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq. It has suffered regular suicide bombings in its cities. Its diplomats, athletes and ordinary citizens going about its business have been murdered all over the world. Only a couple of days ago it was the 12th anniversary of a bombing in argentina which killed 85 Jews (and no-one has been brought to justice for that or the 1992 bombing of the Israeli embassy in Buneos Aires which killed 29).
Now the Israeli's may be overreacting in this instance, but they've often been the victims too and perhaps given past history there a little bit nervous about rolling over and trusting to the leadership of an organisation who shot and then pushed an elderly, Jewish man overboard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achille_Lauro