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They are very similar.
morrocan roll wrote:
very brave and shows just how desperate people can get.
In what ways? Do Hizbollah represent the interests of the Palestinians?
Life must be better in Israel for them though... or else they would emigrate to Palestine or anywhere else. They like freedom and demcoracy.
Life anywhere is better than life in a permanent, puprosely deprivaed and regularly brutalised concentration camp, luke. Many have indeed emigrated and the Zionist intent is that they would all emigrate and leave the land open for total assimilation under Israel control. This is one reason Israel has NEVER declared its official borders and will not until they achieve their ideological aspiration "greater Israel" by force and terror.
I defy you to examine the standards of "freedom" and "democracy" under which Israeli Arabs (Jew and especially Muslim) are forced to live. Land laws which forbid Muslims from owning any land inside Israel, perpetual social engineering to ensure they remain a minority and marginalised political voice (i.e. with no power to change any policy whatsoever), further social laws which forbid any Israeli Jew from marrying a Muslim (even an Israeli Muslim), etc. This is no "freedom" or "democracy" by any standard you would champion if you truly believe in those terms.
No, Hammas don't either though
Right then, israeli violence shows how desperate they are.
Yes that's right, that's why they were elected. You're changing the subject by the way. In what ways is Hamas relevant when discussing Israel and Hizbollah?
morrocan roll wrote:
i think it's a bit different mate.
an individual who will give his life for his beliefs ...for his sorrow and anger at seeing so much death and destruction ...willing t fight a massive and far superior war machine with all he hasv...his own life.
We elected a labour government but would you say they have our interests at heart?
Is a nasty piece of work. Will rot in hell.
I very rarely post on these threads as I don't know enough about it. This has angered me though as I have some very good Lebanese friends.
I'm pleasantly surprised to hear you are concerned about events in Lebanon Disillusioned. Any right-thinking person would be very concerned about events in Lebanon.
So, if a Foriegn country such as France invaded Britain, and you got fed up... and a few guerillas fought against them, many sacrificing themselves...
You'd say the same? I doubt it.
This isn't self defence, this is willful assymetric transnational aggression as Israel has previously perpetrated many times long before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye. That you continue to make all manner of lame excuses for what you readily condemn other nations for doing again outlines the hollowness of any claim you make to respect for the rule of law and for peaceful settlements.
The reality you refuse to accept - and which will repeat itself throughout your lifetime, despite your intractable will to avoid recognition of it - is that Israel and its Zionist ideologue perpetuators have no intention to "make peace" nor to "negotiate". They never have in any PR-ridden "peace talk" and they will not now nor in the future. They seek absolute subjugation of the indigenous inhabitants of the land and will go to any extent of violence, militant AND economic to advance that aim.
Given that they have been from the very start the colonialist aggressors against those who previously lived in relative peace (Arab Jew and Arab Muslim alike) even through prior Ottoman and British domination, the only ones with a "right of self defence" are those whom, as we see again clearly now, Israel considers less than human and thus worthy of extermination, women and children alike.
What they are doing goes so far beyond your feeble criticism of "typical heavy handedness", it is a clear and direct breach of the Nuremberg Principles and every bit as heinous (and according to the very same group superiority ideology dynamic) as what the Nazis did to the Warsaw ghetto.
That their neighbours consider them the greatest threat to peace and stability in the region is no less a surprise under present circumstances than it has been in decades past all the way back to the terrorist and ethnocidal actions of the state founders.
Saddam's alleged evils, for which you and others insisted fullscale invasion as necessary, don't even come close in either scope nor duration.
And don't fool yourself into thinking that Washington, certainly not under neocon control, will ever condemn Israeli atrocities however many innocent civilians they slaughter. You'll find no honest broker there or in any "road map" conceived by them.
Yes I would say the same. If you want to commit suicide do it your self, don't take a load of people with you.
why are you bringing up Hamas in a conversation about Hizbollah?
They have no other way to carry on the fight.
So if we were illegaly invaded and occupied by the French, and men chose to fight against the occupiers who were persecuting and killing us...
You would condem this and say that when you are occupied you must sumbit and let the occupiers do what they want and get away with it?
You have an odd theory of Justice.
where is the justice, and equality between all nations in the world now.
I condome suicide bombers in any situation. Period.
They don't. They have no other way to carry on the fight.
What does that actually mean? Are you saying that suicide bombing is justified as they might feel they have no other option?