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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    The Israeli army routinely shoots children and civilians.
    Intensionally? No they don't. Do the Islamic terrorists? yes.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    Intensionally? No they don't.

    Yes, they do actually
    luke88 wrote:
    Do the Islamic terrorists? yes.

    Yes, they do as well.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    ...yet Israel does target and kill innocents.
    Again, not intentionally, unlike the Islamic terrorists groups.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:

    Therefore Israel has a right to protect her self!!!


    That is war for you.

    .
    a few posts back you were saying they don't target civilians but now your saying they do ...but thats war.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry to say, subject, that those "same few people" are the few who care enough to take time to read more than mainstream whitewashed press on the matter. I would encourage you to do the same rather than express fatalistic disregard for the issue simply because the truth of the matter is contrary to what populist opinion has been gulled into believing.

    You are certainly smart enough to become deeply informed if you take the time to read up on the ideological agenda which began and has since been the driving force behind the perpetuation of the conflict.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Yes, they do actually
    Proof? Where do they say they intend to kill innocents?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    Again, not intentionally, unlike the Islamic terrorists groups.

    Yes, they do actually.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actions speak louder than words luke. Perhaps that concept hasn't quite managed to penetrate your thought processes yet.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    Proof? Where do they say they intend to kill innocents?

    Its in their actions.

    http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=16918
    Amnesty International is calling on the Israeli army to immediately end its air bombardments and shelling of civilian residential areas in the Gaza Strip. At least two Palestinian children have been killed and tens of other civilian bystanders injured in recent days during the course of such attacks; at least 15 other Palestinians, most of them reported to be members of armed groups, were killed. Hadeel Ghaban, an eight-year-old girl, was killed on 10 April 2006 when Israeli troops fired artillery shells at her home in the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Lahia. The child's mother and a dozen of her siblings and other relatives, including several children, were injured in the attack. Three days earlier, a five-year-old boy, Bilal Abu al-'Einein, was killed in an Israeli air strike as he was standing near a car with his 14-year-old brother and their father. The boys' father and three other men were also killed and several other bystanders, including two children, were injured in the attack. The four men who were killed in the attack were reported to be members of a Palestinian armed group but not to have been involved in any armed confrontation at the time when they were targeted by the air strike. Amnesty International UK Campaigns Director Tim Hancock said: 'While there are real threats from Palestinian armed groups who launch attacks from the Gaza Strip, the Israeli shelling of residential areas in Gaza is clearly disproportionate and must be stopped. 'Expressions of regret by Israeli army and government officials for the killings of Palestinian children and other bystanders ring hollow as repeated attacks by Israeli troops on densely populated residential areas continue to claim the lives of Palestinians, including children, in situations where they pose no threats to the lives of Israelis.'

    http://web.amnesty.org/web/web.nsf/pages/isr-index-eng
    The human rights situation in Israel and the Occupied Territories continues to deteriorate. Some 2,500 Palestinians, most of them unarmed and including some 450 children, have been killed by the Israeli army and more than 900 Israelis, most of them civilians and including more than 100 children, have been killed by Palestinian armed groups since the start of the current uprising, or intifada, in September 2000. Tens of thousand of Palestinians and thousands of Israelis have been injured, many maimed for life. Palestinians do not feel safe neither in the street nor in their homes, as Israeli army aircrafts, helicopter gunships and tanks frequently shell Palestinian refugee camps and densely populated residential areas. Israelis also do not feel safe when they leave their homes, as Palestinian armed groups deliberately target Israeli civilians in suicide bombings and other attacks on buses, restaurants and other public places.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150642006
    Israeli forces have also launched deliberate attacks against civilian objects throughout Lebanon, including Beirut international airport, 10 bridges and an electricity power station, as well as against Hizbullah targets, notably the offices of its al-Manar television station in Beirut and its relay station in Baalbek.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    how many children are in need of wheelchairs i wonder ...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actions speak louder than words luke.
    They certainly do, Israel withdraweing from lebanon in 2000, 2005... Israel withdrawing partly from Gaza, we would have others but Israel can't do any deals with terrorists so it needs to sort them out first, then start the withdrawl process again.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is ironic, given Israel's bombing of civilian targets in Beirut, that Hizbullah is often dismissed in the west as a terrorist organisation. In fact its military record is overwhelmingly one of conflict with Israeli forces inside Lebanese territory. This is just an example of the way that the west employs an entirely different definition of terrorism to the one used in the Arab world and elsewhere, where there is a recognition that terrorism can come in many forms.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,,1821036,00.html
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    how many children are in need of wheelchairs i wonder ...
    Yes if I actually saw them it would break by heartbut I would think....

    These Islamists... if they REALLy wanted peace, they would abandon violence alltogether... if they are sure they got a huge claim that Israel is the bad guy, why not put that claim in practise?

    None of this lebanon stuff would be happening if the terrorist organisation take away israeli troops. It is the work of Hamas and Iran behinde this, causing trouble.

    It is their fault that 'their' children are dying.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blasgta... You have misunderstood what I mean.

    When has the Israeli government made a speech where it called for the destruction of muslims, and wants to kill innocents?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It was reported today on NPR in the US that the Israelis have also now begun targetting cars along the coastal freeway which are loaded with people fleeing the bombing of the city. If that isn't deliberate targetting of civilians (above and beyond the already illegal attacking of urban population centers), nothing is.

    The very same principle by which the Nazis justified the slaughter of Jews in the Warsaw ghetto has long and repeatedly applied in ample measure to the crimes against humanity perpetrated with impunity by the Israeli state and its IDF death squad.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    These Islamists... if they REALLy wanted peace, they would abandon violence alltogether...
    .
    so you want the local people to roll over and surrender to the superior military and economic forces that are strangling them ...that way they get peace ...imposed on them and the terms dictated to them by the invader?
    if we had surrendered to germanys terms ...there would have been no bloodshed.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes if I actually saw them it would break by heartbut I would think....

    These Israelis... if they REALLy wanted peace, they would abandon violence alltogether... if they are sure they got a huge claim that Lebanon is the bad guy, why not put that claim in practise?

    None of this lebanon stuff would be happening if the terrorist organisation take away Hezbollah troops. It is the work of Zionists and the US behinde this, causing trouble.

    It is their fault that 'their' children are dying.


    :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    Blasgta... You have misunderstood what I mean.

    When has the Israeli government made a speech where it called for the destruction of muslims, and wants to kill innocents?

    Do they need to? They're doing it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so you want the local people to roll over and surrender to the superior military and economic forces that are strangling them ...that way they get peace ...imposed on them and the terms dictated to them by the invader?
    if we had surrendered to germanies terms ...there would have been no bloodshed.
    For example, Palestinians do not want peace,. hence them voting in hamas. Israeli-Palestinian relations were getting slightly better under Abbas, now Hamas is in control, god, the future does not look great. Yes it was a democratic vote, I respect that, but the result shows how much they want peace.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Do they need to? They're doing it.
    The islamists do both. Their ethos is to kill as many Israeli people as possible.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    For example, Palestinians do not want peace,. hence them voting in hamas. Israeli-Palestinian relations were getting slightly better under Abbas, now Hamas is in control, god, the future does not look great. Yes it was a democratic vote, I respect that, but the result shows how much they want peace.
    thing is ...hammas have supplied for years ...most of the schools and social services and health services ...thats why the people voted for them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You are not misunderstood luke, it is clear that you fail to comprehend the difference between mere words/claims and observable, recorded history of actions.

    The Israelis and the Zionist ideology which underpins them are a racist, neo-colinialist and ethnocidal nation intent on maintaining their oppression and systematic deprivation and terror upon all Arabs of the region until they are driven out, utterly subjugated or exterminated.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    thing is ...hammas have supplied for years ...most of the schools and social services and health services ...thats why the people voted for them.
    Supplied by the E.U/U.S funds more like.

    Hammas is a terrorist organisation, even if they provide the social services... the whole conflict in the region will fail achieve anything.
    Hammas pretends it cares about it's people. It can show how much it cares by turning to dipolmatic means, call a ceasefire, end the suicide bombings and recognising israel as a equal state.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    For example, Palestinians do not want peace,. hence them voting in hamas. Israeli-Palestinian relations were getting slightly better under Abbas, now Hamas is in control, god, the future does not look great. Yes it was a democratic vote, I respect that, but the result shows how much they want peace.

    What has Hamas to do with Israel bombing Lebanon?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You are not misunderstood luke, it is clear that you fail to comprehend the difference between mere words/claims and observable, recorded history of actions.

    The Israelis and the Zionist ideology which underpins them are a racist, neo-colinialist and ethnocidal nation intent on maintaining their oppression and systematic deprivation and terror upon all Arabs of the region until they are driven out, utterly subjugated or exterminated.
    Fine, now how about the islamic terrorists?

    Are they lovely, soft, peaceful people?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    The islamists do both. Their ethos is to kill as many Israeli people as possible.

    What are you wibbling about now?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Your one liners are nothing more than regurgitated mainstream media PR and myths luke. You truly should turn off the popular soundbites and go learn about the plight of the Palestinians rather than continuing to show how misinformed you truly are.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    What has Hamas to do with Israel bombing Lebanon?
    I believe they have had some influence over the terrorist organisation in lebanon (cant spell it), to capture israeli troops.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    Fine, now how about the islamic terrorists?

    Are they lovely, soft, peaceful people?
    no they are tough determined people ...determined to not be crushed robbed and murdered.
    the only way they can hope to achieve anythiung is by fighing back against the bully.
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