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More unfortuate and sad news but the Muslim community and Britain can be very proud of L/Cpl Jabron Hashmi.
More unfortuate and sad news but the Muslim community and Britain can be very proud of L/Cpl Jabron Hashmi.
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Nothing any rational, consistently principled, anti-imperialistic person would deem a matter of pride in the slightest - least of all any member of the Muslim community who is old enough to recall the legacy of previous, repeated, equally doomed attempts to subjugate countries and peoples of the region to the dictats of Washington and London.
Our resident Zionist mouthpiece is of course too young to understand what those in the region recognise all too well as simply the latest in a long succession of claimed "liberations"/"democratisations" (read: military conquests), but perhaps one day should he ever develop the critical reasoning capacities to see beyond the soundbites and stock in trade MIC PR, there might be some hope for him.
What's all this got to do with the L/Cpl and his legacy?
I even pointed out quite clearly in the first paragraph the relevance to the OP's claim concerning Lt. Hashmi's "legacy", so it really does your intellectual credibility no service to have to ask.
He is no more a laudable hero nor role model for the Muslim community or the public at large than any other willing participant (Russian, Chinese, et al.) in illegal war of aggression and occupation of another sovereign nation. Calling our own heros and others "war criminals" for one and the same act of militaristic interventionism only highlights the cognitive disconnect and moral duplicity long indoctrinated into our public psyche.
Ditto. Clan you're getting as bad Klintock in side tracking threads...
RIP anyway.
A truly sad indictment against the education today's kids must be receiving if such obvious reasoning escapes so many.
Do you really have to use such big words by the way...
But let's not actually derail the thread now Renzo, as you wrongly accused me of doing in the first place.
If i want to read big words i'll into reading one of my books. I see Hobbes, Locke and Rousseau on my shelf
Anyway yes. Carry on the thread...nothing to see here.
But its the same stuff in every thread. Basically you put that its all because of zionists, or mossad or the PNAC or a mix of the lot and its all for money and we're all doomed. You paint in such broad strokes that you rarely say anything specific.
Something along the lines of 'its a shame this young man had to die for a war I dont agree with' would have been more respectful.
clandestine - conducted with or marked by hidden aims or methods
Why do you keep promoting him? Unless yo know something the rest of us don't he was a lance corporal. If you can't get the basics right why should we trust the rest of what you say?
I merely repeat the discernable and quite easily researched, well documented truths of current (and preceeding) interventions as often as the topics of discussion warrant. Given that most of these topics, especially from particular contributors, are themselves endless repetitions of the same bogus PR fed to the unquestioning masses, the reality certainly bears repeating.
And yes it's a shame he died betraying both his community and the principles our own respective nations established to judge war criminals of prior generations in order to participate in a war of aggression.
Not that you are ever likely to believe anything that but the company line from "official government (or military) spokesmen" anyways. :rolleyes:
You made it twice - which suggests not a typo, but either a poor understanding of the military terminology or you hadn't read the article. Both of which seem pretty fundamental if you want to give a seriously considered view.
Carry on.
If you can't get the details right why should we have any confidence in the big picture you present (which is long on rhetoric, but short on facts anyway). Same as if I get a book and it continually gets dates wrong, they may be detail, but it also suggests that the author doesn't have such a grasp on the subject as they claim.
Classic example of the sort of desperate inflated non-argument I have long come to expect from those like yourself.
Like the other military drones against whom my analyses were repeatedly vindicated as wholly accurate (quite a few with more than ample supporting references) long before you arrived, you are free to cling to whatever unquestioned pro-MIC drivel you choose to surrendered your critical reasoning faculties.
That I rarely bother these days to expend the effort to provide extensive research references (also not necessary on a topic addressing the moral value judgement of the OP such as this) is readily understandable given the unwitting admissions found on the first page of responses.
No sense going to any great lengths for those who find anything beyond 3 paragraphs or 2-3 syllables to be a burden. The same applies to those, like yourself, who demonstrate a continuous and willful evasion of any discussion of principle that might demand critical reevaluation of the public mythmaking/hero worship contained in the lead article.
Also interesting to see your repeated need for group identification by the use of the term "we". Hard to think and speak for yourself after so much military indoctrination, I understand.
[Let it also be noted the extent to which others than myself wish to harp on with unrelated personal diatribe. Thanks!]
Again you miss the point (wilfully I expect) - opinions have to be based on facts. If you cannot get those right you cannot expect us to take you seriously. you certainly cannot lecture people on looking behind the headlines and getting the true facts if you yourself are unable to look at the headlines and get the basics.
A fine example of the military PR mindset in action.
As I said before, you go right ahead and absorb the drivel of that article without question of or reflection upon the broader principles of the matter, NQA. It's what you've been trained to do.
However if you like I shall rephrase 'If you can't get the detail right why should I have any confidence in the big picture you present?'
And to be honest you really need to brush up on your knowledge about military training. The unthinking automan pretty much died out as soldier in the mid-nineteenth century. Training now encourages officers to think about the issues and exercise our critical facilities - in fact if you fail to be able to do so you're unlikely to graduate. After all officers need to be able to make critical decisions based often incomplete and contradictory information when tired, cold, wet, hungry and whilst being shot at.
The British army also likes its officers to understand the political parameters under which it is operating, both locally and internationally. Men fight better when they know the grand strategic/political objectives, so officers need to know the background and to be able to discuss it with their men in an open manner.
I bet former generations have said similar things about your generation
(Might also be worthwhile to know that it will probably be our generation taking care of you in your old age - so maybe you should lower the hostility towards us a notch or two?)
Either way, RIP - and best of wishes to the two families who must be devestated.
Ive lost the will to stay and be bothered to read this thread, and the origional point as well.
Not necessarily so, if this thread is anything to go by.
The fact is that the guy in the story was a hired killer. People`s opinions don`t seem to be based on that fact.