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Tibet - China rail ink protests.

Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
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I bet if it was somewhere like a Muslim Nation building in occupied land, the UN would br doing all sorts and the US would condem it. Iraq wasn't allowed to ocupy Kuwait long enough to build anything!

Seems economic power does buy imunity from international laws.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yep. No surprise there. Money talks. So does power.

    You could add many other examples to the list. Russian atrocities in Chechnya come to mind.
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Aladdin wrote:
    Yep. No surprise there. Money talks. So does power.

    You could add many other examples to the list. Russian atrocities in Chechnya come to mind.

    Aye. But Chechnya isn't a seperate nation... it never has been and it couldn't support itself anyway. Rebelling was stupid, especially as it is full of oil. It'd be like Norfolk breaking away from the UK - foolish.

    Plus the Chechen rebels are hardly nice people. But, it does have two sides - and they Russians have been brutal. Overly so to be honest - but one thing Putin has done since in power is to take alot of steps to resolving the problem - terror has died down except for the Hospital and the terrible attrocity School Seige, which done no end of damage to Chechen-Russian relations. (Thanks, Chechnya.)

    But Putin has managed to stabalise the reigon somewhat.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its an interesting story, the Chinese would argue that Tibet is merely a province of China not an occupied country, the Tibet people would argue differently. The rail completion, the protest of the exiles, the fact that power allows freedoms to do such things. All fascinating.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Yep. No surprise there. Money talks. So does power.
    the fact that chinese, saudi and UAE is money is keeping the US economy a float, so if the US criticise that country they can ask for their loans back damaging the US economy greatly!
    so the US can't aggressively criticise the Chinese,
    (cant find reloevant times article, us in debt by 38 solid gold eiffel towers)

    as for the railway, the involvement in tibet has been unwelcome ever since it first invaded certain areas and claimed it as a province of china, some have been trying to push the chinese out, some tibetian monks even handed in their robes and became freedom fighters to try and get their country back.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hehe its funny..i wonder how many people supporting tibet in this also support the BNP and other anti immigration groups?

    boo hoo, some more poor chinese folks will move into tibet....how terrible..
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think is more to do with the fact that China is illegally occupying Tibet than with the movements of ordinary citizens.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    I think is more to do with the fact that China is illegally occupying Tibet than with the movements of ordinary citizens.

    Really?

    Cos the protests are about the immigration of chinese into tibet :dunno: The railway itself, minus the immigration part, will do a lot of good for tibet...the only negative part, according to the protesters is the immigration..
    The Gormo-Lhasa railway link is a death knell for an independent Tibetan culture, religion and race.

    Culture, religion and race? :eek2:
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Balddog wrote:
    Really?

    Cos the protests are about the immigration of chinese into tibet :dunno: The railway itself, minus the immigration part, will do a lot of good for tibet...the only negative part, according to the protesters is the immigration..

    Yes, but the problem is that China illegal occupies Tibet, and this won't JUST be fair immigration - it will be like Turkey and Cyprus - they will just move people in and take the land.

    China is over populated. So, move people out into other land. First, you need to take the land to do this with.

    Ah, Tibet. Perfect.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Yes, but the problem is that China illegal occupies Tibet, and this won't JUST be fair immigration - it will be like Turkey and Cyprus - they will just move people in and take the land.

    China is over populated. So, move people out into other land. First, you need to take the land to do this with.

    Ah, Tibet. Perfect.

    Can I ask how you know this?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The chinese would argue Tibet is not been illegally occupied, it is been prevented from leaving China as to the Chinese it is only a province of China not an independant nation.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Balddog wrote:
    Can I ask how you know this?
    Probably common sense. It's what I would do if I were a dictator trying to keep a firm hold of a territory I've nicked. In fact, it's what most dictators in such situation have done.
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Aladdin wrote:
    Probably common sense. It's what I would do if I were a dictator trying to keep a firm hold of a territory I've nicked. In fact, it's what most dictators in such situation have done.

    Yeah, what I thought.

    And Subject, Iran could nuke Israel and argue it's OK because it doesn't think Israel exists so it couldn't nuke it.

    TBQH, Tibet WAS a free Nation before and had been for a significant amount of time.

    Therefore, leave it alone.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fair, point, though Iran and Israel geographically are not quite the same as China and tibet which is obvious if you look at a map. Im simply saying to the Chinese Government, and people going back to the days before Communism they always thought of tibet a small province of their country so they shall do as they wish with it, like the same way the British government can make laws about Yorkshire as it is a shire with in England. But not the same as Federal and State law in America, because thats totally different.

    The Chinese are never, ever, under any circumstances ever going leave Tibet, it is no longer a free nation, if it is even a nation at all? I mean is it a nation if it has no government, representation or anything that can be called its own? Is it not now just a conquered piece of land that has been swallowed by the Red tide?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    tibet was ruled by china till 1912 when the Qing dynasty fell, so the 13th dalai lama ruled and then the 14th dalai lama (the one we all know) took over till 1959 when china invaded and claimed that it was doing what any other sovereign nation would do and 'help' and the dalai lame and his government left the country and have settled in India and do whatever they can, theres a massive tibetan community in India!
    the 'invasion' is highly contraversal, is tibet a soveriegn state or a seperate nation?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    excuse me, were you talking about modern history, tibet join us as early as 1271,
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Probably common sense. It's what I would do if I were a dictator trying to keep a firm hold of a territory I've nicked. In fact, it's what most dictators in such situation have done.

    Is a one party socialist republic classed as a dictatorship? Im not savvy enough with government terms to know that for sure...

    How long have China had hold of Tibet now? Theres never been any danger of them not having a firm hold of it...Their military power sees to that..They dont need to do this in order to keep hold of it...

    I think people here are only seeing this from their own perspective..IE tibet is a seperate nation being oppressed by the chinese....take a look at it from the chinese point of view...just for a moment...They see it as part of china already and have done for an awfully long time. In their eyes, they dont need to make it part of china by importing chinese because its already filled with chinese..

    They see it as just developing part of their own nation...Just like they are doing in lots of other provinces.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BBC's news coverage of this amused me.

    This rail link connects "Tibet and the rest of the country [meaning China]". Perish the thought that the impartial BBC would support China...
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