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Lesbianism is not as bad as homosexuality
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Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, founder of the IslamOnline web site and head of the European Council for Fatwa and Research. From Al Jazeera, broadcast on June 5, 2006, on the subject of gay marriage.
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Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi: Kerry, who ran against Bush, was supported by homosexuals and nudists. But it was Bush who won [the elections], because he is Christian, right-wing, tenacious, and unyielding. In other words, the religious overcame the perverted. So we cannot blame all Americans and Westerners.
But unfortunately, because the Westerners - Americans and others - want to flatter these people on account of the elections, a disaster occurs. In order to succeed and win the elections, he flatters these people, rather than saying to them: No, you are sinning against yourselves, against society, and against humanity. This is forbidden. Instead of leveling with them, people flatter them to win their votes. This is the disaster that has befallen humanity.
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Interviewer: How should a homosexual or a lesbian be punished? We mentioned the story of the people of Sodom and how Allah punished them, but how should someone who commits this abomination be punished today?
Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi: The same punishment as any sexual pervert - the same as the fornicator.
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The schools of thought disagree about the punishment. Some say they should be punished like fornicators, and then we distinguish between married and unmarried men, and between married and unmarried women. Some say both should be punished the same way. Some say we should throw them from a high place, like God did with the people of Sodom. Some say we should burn them, and so on. There is disagreement.
[...]
The important thing is to treat this act as a crime.
Interviewer: There is an issue that some people may find strange. If homosexuals and lesbians belong to the same category - an inclination towards the same sex - why are there different punishments for men and women, for homosexuals and lesbians?
Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi: A punishment for who?
Interviewer: For homosexuals and lesbians - the punishment for a woman who favors women, and for a man who favors men.
Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi: Lesbianism is not as bad as homosexuality, in practical terms.
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I wonder if he'd hug other fascists? The BNP? The NF?
You use this word quite a lot-why?
i know which i want to see more of and it isnt dude on dude action!
Thou must repent!
It is like some men who say they find male homosexuality wrong, but don't mind lesbianism (well, watching it in action). :rolleyes:
Stop press!
So are you gonna stick around and comment more on other topics or are you just going to keep posting the same shit and leaving to see what people say?
Best cock-up ever. Lesbianism then... if it isn't homosexuality, what is it?!
And if people are going to through about nonsense words like Islamofascist... then I msut say is it just me or is anyone else worried by the increasing practice of Reganomics in the west? I am concered this mgiht lead to allmighty amounts of Stagflation in the fututre.
Because they're Islamic and they're fascist.
Quite an accurate term about the religious leaders of Islam, too. Not that other religious leaders are bastions of democracy, mind...
So Islam as a religion and Fascism as an ideology that's atheistic in most ways are compatible...erm ok?
I wondered that. Hence it is a nonsense term.
There are many similarities, some Islamisists are fucking nuts, deserved to be killed or locked up for a long time but they aren't fascists.
Yes, I know their are similarities.
But Islamofascist is like saying Communazi. It's a nonsense term. Unless of course you are refering to the NBP, but they are quite blatantly insane and stupid.
The term "Nazi" was a bit of an odd one anyway... National Socialist?
The Catholic Church was pretty cosy with Franco and Mussolini and both enforced religious values...Although yes, I take your point to an extent but I think the term is helpful used in a Western context.
Anyway the cleric that Ken Livingstone welcomed to London has very similar views to fascist BNP and NF members. On women, gays and Jews I cannot really see much of a distinction between the views of al-Qaradawi and Nick Griffin. I would be outraged if Ken hugged and welcomed to London the latter, I do not see why a sexist homophobic anti-Semite should get special treatment just because they’re Muslim...The fact is within a Muslim context Islamism has similarities in its use of violence, propaganda and intolerance that are also favoured by European fascists. Ideologically perhaps the term isn't entirely accurate but it does help promote the fact that fundamentalist Muslims are as dangerous and nasty as European fascists.
And thereby you prove you know nothing about Fascism. Thank you.
Mussolini, the founder of said beleif, was quite staunchly against religion. He had to make compromises with the Catholic Church to maintain his position and popular support, but still 2 years after this the rifts were showing again. Fascism hates Religion for many reasons. People ally to their religion before the nation - Fascists hate this. It provides an alternate focus for peoples lives besides the Nation and its glory. Religion also preaches peace and love amoungst Humanity - Fascism wants people to be warlike. And I could go on. But I'd rather YOU actually did some research into this yourself. You abviously have no idea AT ALL what Fascism is.
Mussolini was mixed up really. From his Marxist days he had been hostile to religion and while he did compromise with the Catholic Church partly to maintain power there were some shared aims. Opposition to communism, similar views on women and family - hence supporters of the Catholic party, the Populari mostly supported Mussolini initially. Mussolini built churches (in a distinct 'fascist' architectural style) and he didn't ever infringe on Italians freedom to worship, whether Catholic or Jews. Churches and synagogues weren't closed. He wasn't 'staunchly against religion' in the sense that communists have been. In terms of action really he didn't have any effect on religion, although the bizarre and somewhat hilarious cult of personality that surrounded Mussolini wouldn't have impressed Catholics...And as for Franco, him and the Catholic Church were pretty cosy...I don't know much about Franco but I don't think Mussolini had anything particularly ideological about him once in power, I think his later tension with the Catholic Church was more to do with him fearing it could somehow undermine his personal authority than anything else. (As opposed to ideological disagreements about a militaristic fascist or a loving religious outlook).
And there by you prove you are an arrogant little toe rag who knows nothing of Fascism!
The Fascist leaders may not have liked religion and even attempted to create alternatives but never could so gave up and allowed it to go on and be accepted. It adapted to the sitution like all ideologies do to survive.
Actually once the war broke out they started to persecute it rather a bit... but let's not bother withs the facts, eh?
Fascism focuses on a nation and people, not religion, plus there are many aspects of fascism that are incompatible with Islamic belief, there are similarities but I just think the term is tenious.
Ken Livingstone welcomed al-Qaradawi in the pic above.