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well there is, its opposing the fighting all together which if everyone had that attitude there wouldnt of been an army on either side
pragamitism =/ conscience
personally i see fighting as a last resort, sadly enough half the time it's seen as 1 of 1st options
Used Sherman deliberately - they didn't call it the Tommy cooker for nothing, your chances of getting out before burning to death was pretty low.
So do most soldiers - funnily enough there the ones who pay with their lives...
they're the ones who chose to, i personally wouldn't take up a job that in its purest sense, is being a killing machine
the japanese army is a self defence force for example, or the swiss who are extremely well armed also, but only use it in self defence
thats the sort of armies i encourage, giving a country the ability to defend itself yeh i dont mind and i advocate, signing up to go on highly unethical and unplanned/badly planned invasions i dont agree with
in case of 2nd world war, we noyl got involved becuase we promised poland we'd defend them if the nazi's attacked, and the nazis did so we joined in
the 91 gulf war we stopped saddam invading kuwait and forced them to retreat
the recent gulf war, well we went there based upon lies and false pretenses, mainly to boost contractors profits and make it seem like we're doing something, and it was poorly planned what to do afterwards, especially on the american side of things in terms of winning hearts and minds
DISCLAIMER: That doesn't mean that I think armies are useless, or that you must be stupid or evil to join. The first line of this message means nothing more than it says.
I dont think we have that much trouble with people coming back from the union tbh
I'd rather be protected by the British Army thanks.
Why did you start the thread anyway Fiend?
Soldiers are nice boys. they all pray, they love little foriegn kids and puppies and kittens and stuff, and they wouldnt hurt a fly. They hate the idea of war and they never have to kill anybody.
Is that better?
Im not sure what the fuck you want me to say?
I expect the thread was designed to inject some humanity back into the conflict, since all we here about Iraq is how many civilians or how many British soldiers have been killed by insurgents each day.
How dare you.
there is no humanity in the conflict. A couple of staged photos and thats it!
Don't forget that most, if not all, of those who went there believe they're doing the right thing. Sacrificing themselves to save their friends and relatives at home (I call it brainwashing in this specific case, but that's beside the point). They do have many things to pray for.
The army are not putting their life on the line for the rest of us or defending the freedom of the UK. Are you having a laugh? Theyre putting their life on the line because Tony Blair and GWB told them to, and that wasnt because we were in danger.
What gives you the right to dictate the beliefs of those in the armed services? Does it matter if they are frontline troops or army medics or translators? Why on earth would you deny them the right to pray? Why would you want to take the piss out of them? It doesn't matter to those men and women whether the evidence was faulty. We are in the luxurious position of being able to debate the rights and wrongs of the miltary action. In fact, most of us disagreed with the war, but that doesn't make a difference to whether we want our armed forces to do a good job, to support the rebuilding of Iraq and to support the local people to defeat tyranny.
I'd rather they never went there and I'd hope they are planning the withdrawal. But to take the piss out of the ordinary folk who are risking their lives is too much for me to swallow.
When was the last time the English army did fight do defend its citizens...
Not too sure the last time they went to war it was to defend their countries or, your, our lifes...
There is some good and bad men in the military like everywhere else, some do join hoping they will never have to fight or kill anyone, but well doesn't matter what position you aim for in the military you are train to do so anyway...
Some men did war without even wanted too, but by choosing to go to the army that what you have to expect one day or an other, and if you really don't want to go war or ever have to kill then maybe an other career than the military would be better...
As for experience, I have heard a lot of story about war, from my step grand-dad that fought 2 wars and is even the president of the last fighters of those wars and yes there is some humanitary here and there, but there is a big hate as well as some big horror stories that were puerly cruel and not military at all...
As I said, there is some good, there is some bad, like in everything else in life, but war by definition are not pretty thing and in every single war there will b some innocent killed...
Debate about war and military people are useless, pretty much like any other debates, there is always 2 side of the story, there is always the few nice pictures reported here and there and the bad ones as well... It is nice however to see some good ones as well and not hear about all the bad side al the tme...
I myself hate war and doesn't hate for say the military guys, but more those who send them in war when it is not needed or when it is for something else than for protecting their own countries and citizens...
At the end of the end everyone is entitled to their own opinions and views and that's what debates are all about, any posts as long as they are related the topic of a thread are good to take... And because someone else opinion and views do not match with yours, even if they even offend you, there is no reason for it to be shut down either...
This is the fucking debating forum. Youre arrogant about your views, im arrogant about mine. I think I could ask YOU what youre actually bringing to the thread, because as far as i can see its fuck all, apart from a chance to have a go at me for some unknown reason. Not that I cant take it. I still stand by my beliefs.
Can you not tolerate one thread that doesn't criticise the occupation of Iraq and shows the soldiers to be human beings?
one day we'll look round and find we have no protesters ...no defiant and steadfast refusniks.
what a sad day that will be but i'm sure many will still think it worth fighting and dying for.
But fortunately not too many...
I am beginning to remember why i started avoiding the debate forum. When people run out of arguments they just start trying to silence opposing opinions.
Have a look at yourself, and remember, you are essentially the same as everyone else, the boys in the army, and the drunk students who start fights. You have the same impulses, and when push comes to shove, you show them, and you have.
Not that I actually care whether they pray or not, its probably more to do with religious hypocrisy rather than the fact they are soldiers tbh.
anyway, i dont think were ever gonna agree on this. I just think that i think in a different way to you. fair do`s
Why?
oh a btw, the FIRST thing you said was this seeing as you can't remember your own posts. Get off your high horse mate, you don't look too hot up there.
And of that type of people, sadly, are far too many around.
The arse-monkeys who want to rape the rest of the world for their own gain will get what's coming to them.