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Guantanamo Bay Prisoners Comit Suicide

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=860722006

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-06-11T030958Z_01_N10232278_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SECURITY-GUANTANAMO.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

What do you think of Guantanamo?

Some people have been held there against their wills for 4.5 years now without charge .. how come the USA is allowed to even get away with it?

Other reports say prisoners that no longer want to live under those conditions are being force fed by drips to keep them alive.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The bbc says this morning http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5068606.stm that this is an act of war, but I can't work out why.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, how dare those detainees kill themselves and deny us our right to continue torturing them! What a clever attack! :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The question is a lot wider. America are involved in a lot of countries, including Iraq, and see themselves as a saviour. Should they barge into other countries, with the argument: "without our intervention, they would be worse off"? The Iraq war: I am for it (not the lies though), but this i am against. They are treating them despicably and it is intolerable, imo, that they keep them as prisoners, when they're not even in power in the country. The prisoners are humans too, and they have the right to have a fair trial - this is beyond civilized law.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They obviously not real muslims then since commiting suicide is not allowed in islam.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's one of the dumbest comments ever.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    That's one of the dumbest comments ever.
    You've never ever got anything real to say have you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    You've never ever got anything real to say have you.

    honestly what have they got to live for since they'll never see the outside of that place

    and who says its only muslims in there.......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    You've never ever got anything real to say have you.

    I bet you're unable to see the irony here. :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    luke88 wrote:
    They obviously not real muslims then since commiting suicide is not allowed in islam.
    Or maybe they committed suicide because they were suicidal?

    Do you think anyone could feel that desperate after being confined to a foreign concentration camp for 4 years?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    Or maybe they committed suicide because they were suicidal?

    Do you think anyone could feel that desperate after being confined to a foreign concentration camp for 4 years?


    I agree imagine if any of us was locked up for 4 years, perhaps in a country where we didn't understand the language, you go on a hungar strike and the people holding you captive stick needles in your arms to force you to stay alive.

    You can see no end to your situation, I'm sure it's more then enough to make anyone want to just end it all.
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    JsTJsT Posts: 18,268 Skive's The Limit
    luke88 wrote:
    They obviously not real muslims then since commiting suicide is not allowed in islam.

    You really are a complete and utter moron. :rolleyes:
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Yes, how dare those detainees kill themselves and deny us our right to continue torturing them! What a clever attack! :rolleyes:
    :lol: True though.

    TBH - good for them. The torment, torture, maltreatment, and abuse is all over for them now. No longer do they have to put up with living in a concentration camp the rest of their days with little to no evidence for any reason of their being there.

    Good for them. If the Iranians opened a camp, and treated US citizens like this - they'd be hell! But no, America is allowed to do this with no action taken against them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote:
    The bbc says this morning http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5068606.stm that this is an act of war, but I can't work out why.
    its called double speak.

    "Then the face of Big Brother faded away again, and instead the three slogans of the Party stood out in bold capitals: 'WAR IS PEACE' 'FREEDOM IS SLAVERY' and 'IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH'."
    --From George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four

    How can we be so sure that it was suicide. Who told us it was suicide? The military. The military cover up of haditha was exposed. For all we know they could just be minimizing the damage the deaths would make.

    The prisoners was in the highest security wing in the guantanamo. The prisoners would’ve been under 24h surveillance. And to death will not come instantly when you hang yourself with linen. The suffocation is slow.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Good for them. If the Iranians opened a camp, and treated US citizens like this - they'd be hell! But no, America is allowed to do this with no action taken against them.
    i believe that is because the elites of other nations know that they can benefit from American expansion. everyone wants a piece of the pie.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Iron Nic wrote:
    its called double speak.

    "Then the face of Big Brother faded away again, and instead the three slogans of the Party stood out in bold capitals: 'WAR IS PEACE' 'FREEDOM IS SLAVERY' and 'IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH'."
    --From George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four

    How can we be so sure that it was suicide. Who told us it was suicide? The military. The military cover up of haditha was exposed. For all we know they could just be minimizing the damage the deaths would make.

    The prisoners was in the highest security wing in the guantanamo. The prisoners would’ve been under 24h surveillance. And to death will not come instantly when you hang yourself with linen. The suffocation is slow.


    Careful there nic, you'll be accused of being me! :thumb:
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Iron Nic wrote:
    i believe that is because the elites of other nations know that they can benefit from American expansion. everyone wants a piece of the pie.

    Well, a few have stood against it.

    And China even made a Joke in the UN how the US could get away with Guantanamo, and that they then decided to launch an Attack on Cuba about Human Rights!

    God, the UN is a farce.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The UN is an outdated and pintless institution that should be dispanded and burried in time like the League of Nations before it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It should be reformed. The right of veto should be removed.

    That would make things interesting.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    It should be reformed. The right of veto should be removed.

    That would make things interesting.

    Reform needs to happen but removing the right of veto would be a bad idea. Although Japan should be added to the five permanent members of the Security Council. (Who better to lead the reform than Tony Blair? When he leaves Downing Street Blair I feel would make an excellent UN Secretary General).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    subject13 wrote:
    The UN is an outdated and pintless institution that should be dispanded and burried in time like the League of Nations before it.

    So what would you propose to put there to keep an eye on international law?

    Also The US are claiming the suicides an act of PR This administration gets worse by the day. Something needs to be done. :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why should there be international law at all? Why cant state and nations merely make treaties between them selves and one another to accomodate neccessity instead of sweeping laws that will affect one country poorly and another country in a better way due to maintaining the status quo of the world with the powerful staying powerful and the weak staying weak.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    subject13 wrote:
    Why should there be international law at all? Why cant state and nations merely make treaties between them selves and one another to accomodate neccessity instead of sweeping laws that will affect one country poorly and another country in a better way due to maintaining the status quo of the world with the powerful staying powerful and the weak staying weak.

    Lets see... human rights? The prevention of war? In a world without international law a state like the United States would just do what it wants...more so than now? Why else is the USA constantly threatening the UN.The strong would do what they will and the weak would do what they must. States are selfish and will do what they want. Noones ever going to suggest that domestic society within states should be based upon contracts between individuals, so why would states be any different.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anyone who believes the UN has any crediability in the world needs to open their eyes. It is a weak institution actually, very weak, I don't know what it's suspsoed to do anymore. We all know the foundations of it and the reasons it was built up but now it is nothing.

    Just look at all the wars in Africa, the UN just sits there and let's it happen.

    Certain countries are kind of setting up their own UN such as the UK and US simply because the UN is worthless.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And whose fault is it when "the UN" doesn't spring into action?

    Might it have something to do with five members in particular that have the right to veto anything they please?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And that for a joint organisation to work, those members need to work through it, not hamstring it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    And whose fault is it when "the UN" doesn't spring into action?

    Might it have something to do with five members in particular that have the right to veto anything they please?
    I call for reforms but when I see the UN doing absolutely nothing about Africa... it bangs on about poverty wars etc... it's all talk. The UN is a load of shite.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Only because the way it is structured. Resolutions should be proposed by any member at any time, and passed on a majority vote with no member having right of veto.

    The five countries that see each other as superior or more important to the rest, however, don't want to part with their precious right of veto or contemplate the possibility of third world little nations winning votes on issues they don't care much fore.

    Those countries are to blame- not the UN itself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    2/3s majority.
    and the council is worth having for quick action.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Only because the way it is structured. Resolutions should be proposed by any member at any time, and passed on a majority vote with no member having right of veto.

    The five countries that see each other as superior or more important to the rest, however, don't want to part with their precious right of veto or contemplate the possibility of third world little nations winning votes on issues they don't care much fore.

    Those countries are to blame- not the UN itself.
    Ok say we had majority voting. How would the UN be affective in tackling the problems of the world especially Africa?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Because the UN could then vote to intervene more often, more decisively and when and where it's needed.
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