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zarqawi is dead! who will the americans blame next?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5058576.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5058304.stm
now that america's poster boy in iraq is dead, who will now personify the insurgency in iraq?
looks like someone is up for promotion in the top 10 FBI wantedlist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5058304.stm
now that america's poster boy in iraq is dead, who will now personify the insurgency in iraq?
looks like someone is up for promotion in the top 10 FBI wantedlist.
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Whereas this might have some effect in his group, unfortunately Iraq is host to dozens of different factions from freedom fighters to common criminals to religious nutters.
Give the public a "big win" claim upon which to reinforce the sloganeering of Republican success in the fraudulent "War on Terror" and "liberation of Iraq" just as the shurb's ratings have almost bottomed out and his scandal-mired Congressional cohorts with him.
There is no "Al Qaeda" let alone one in Iraq (aside from a horde of US Private Military Contractors (aka psycopathic guns for hire) under direction from the largest contingent of CIA and Mossad operatives anywhere in the world) and most assuredly no Zarqawi who was ever remotely linked to a purely indigenous and rightful Iraqi resistance to foreign invasion.
Nothing more here than the same modus operandi of lies used to score political points back home throughout the Vietnam era.
Secondly, from the very outset these incredibly well timed video-finds have for the most part been debunked as frauds, including that of Daniel Berg. If you cannot fathom the quite substantial capabilities of our 40 billion dollar a year intelligence community (much more if the Pentagon special ops branches are included) to fabricate video propaganda, then I urge you to go back and do some research. Everything about the reporting on Iraq has been a contrivance of misinformation since day one, aided in no small part by a demonstrably non-investigatory regurgitative corporate media which has every profit motive for colluding with ""official proclamations" on all such matters.
When I have more time I will gladly compile a host of reports on the false flag nature of much that is reported in the mainstream as "acts of Alqaeda or "Iraqi Insurgency terrorism".
For now, have a chew on this lengthy catalogue of historic operative lies which characterises our respective nations' intelligence agencies and special ops forces...
http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20050926/024318.html
Once you have built up a sufficiently repeated context of such covert machinations, their signature becomes much more transparent from decade to decade, conflict to conflict, one sensational "official" report after another.
Fine he is dead.
But I know what a missile strike does to any building and I am guessing that if it was a safe house they used a Paveway missile which will go through the wall and explode inside the structure and not on impact, so how the hell can you find and fingerprints there, let alone make a positive ID with his face???
yes. anything with this many big words should be substantial.
perhaps you dont realise that if the tabloid/mainstream propaganda is working on most people, you yourself is subject to the propaganda of whoever is opposite of the tabloid/mainstream.
You are indeed correct that tabloid drivel suffices for most who could not be bothered to scrutinise what they are told by "official sources" nor bother to maintain a running catalogue of past reports in order to construct a more comprehensive awareness of the agenda at work behind the daily mainstream media soundbites. I do not fall into that category, however much you or others might wish it to be so to excuse your own bandwagon mentality.
Seeing through the lies and fabricated press takes no great genius, only time, effort and an ounce of critical reasoning.
dont think that i doubt what you say. in fact i totally agree and aware of the different propaganda govts do to control society. but so what? thats how society is. you got to be in it to win it.
anyway, this is not the thread for this friend. i suggest you start a thread about the nature govt/ruling elite and we can bump heads on this. for now lets try to focus on zarchawi and not anarchy.
Pointing out that the most transparent aim of such essentially sanitised reports of his death is to provide more political ammunition to the Congressional Repubs after months of eroding Presidential approval-ratings and corruption scandals.
I wouldnt put any stock in this report whatsoever.
They can pin it on Iran instead now! (And Iran is actualyl aiding the insurgency, so meh.) But yeah.. all the reason they need to clobber the Calihpate!
So the US probably trained him then.
And where the fuck did he get that? Nick off the British or something...? Bastard!
Because that is just ridiculous and it is clear they were kidnapped, murdered and filmed been killed as a political statement by a group of radicals.
No, I didnt say that at all, subject. Perhaps if you spent less time trying to insulate your preconceived desire to believe whatever you are told by "official sources" and made an effort to follow my suggestion to dig in behind the well precedented theatre of war propaganda you'd learn that our own intelligence agencies and special forces have a long history of such false flag atrocities. These sorts of acts are most transparently designed to evoke outrage amongst our publics and thereby bolster greater support for continuation of our neo-colonialist endeavours.
The "insurgency" has no reasonable or plausible cause for beheading aid workers and journalists knowing full well the decline of international support it would engender. Our own psy-ops boys on the other hand know just how effective a tool such acts can be when simply and repeatedly ascribed (without any shred of evidence) to those against whom we are fighting.
Such fabrications were a regular occurrence throughout the Vietnam conflict and countless others both before and after around the globe.
I offer you another roster of more investigative-minded reports chronicling the UK's own contribution to the psy-ops banquet which has characterised mainstream reporting of events in Iraq (if the previous offering failed to inspire some critical reassessment in you)...
http://www.brusselstribunal.org/BritishBombers.htm#who
If you doubt our two nations have the will to field outright psycopaths to do the most heinous tasks to advance an ongoing hardline political agenda, I suggest you think again. The complete fragmentation of Iraqi society is precisely what the architects of the Iraqi invasion/occupation (i.e. conquest) desire. Specific documented references to that very option have been in circulation for some time now.
Nah, he's an Anarchist, not an Islamic Extremist.
Hmm... thats an idea... Marvel should do an Islamic Hero Comic... yup. I am copyrighting that idea. Meheheh... make me MILLIONS!
It'd be ace.
I read what you said, no knee-jerk reactions from me, just basing my analysis on your writings, clearly you wont answer a straight question though.
TBH, I think we should invade Tokelau next. Or Azerbaijan.
Seems you do prefer to revert back to the sort of prattish disposition you demonstrated shortly after arriving in these forums.
You only just noticed?
I think we've both agreed to disagree because, like the people Clandestine condemns (i.e. anyone who will not accept his word as gospel), he is a victim of propaganda.
Pity reality doesn't line up with the sanitised drivel youd so dearly love to believe about nasty insurgents illogically undermining their own cause by attacking those best suited to support their cause. I can point further to the body of revelations contained in the Pentagon Papers which showed a consistent and willful institutionalised intent to deceive and fabricate events and those truly responsible at the very time when the present cabal were launching their political careers.
That intent and the willingness to utilise the most heinously evil of methodologies to garner support for their organised criminal agenda has only grown in line with their will to unaccountable power over the past 35 years.
A pity you wish to close your eyes to the evidence, but then as as has been said many times before, ignorance is bliss.
Your posts are the only evidence I need.
PS Read up on the teaching I suggested, or are you still avoiding the possibility that there is an Islamic conspiracy too? You've never mentioned them...
PPS You will note that I have deliberately not commented on the killing of Zaquawi.