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The IRA vs Alkida
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How come in the days of the IRA and all their bombings not such a fuss was placed on stopping them as compared to alkida
They used to put bombs in London, etc. But we didn't really see the same response as we do today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/24/newsid_2523000/2523345.stm
What's different about the IRA Vs someone like Alkida?
They used to put bombs in London, etc. But we didn't really see the same response as we do today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/24/newsid_2523000/2523345.stm
What's different about the IRA Vs someone like Alkida?
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One is being used as a HUGE excuse by the western powers. And here;s a hint, it's Al-Qaeda and not the IRA.
Ireland has little in the way of material benefit if we stomp on it some more.
This ring a bell http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/40166.stm
The British Government introduced a form of internal exile, where UK citizens who were suspected of being members of the IRA were forbidden to come onto the mainland. We were forbidden to hear the words of Gerry Adams et al on TV for a long period.
I can remember as a child going over to visit relatives in England for Christmas and the searchers at the airport making my parents open all the presents in case we were smuggling bombs.
And here's the clincher. The army isn't patrolling the streets of Bradford, it did patrol the streets of Belfast.
The IRA got more money from Macdonalds.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm merely saying the media's changed.
I think the comparison is apt, but the reality is that neither threat has really affected the way ordinary people live their lives. I remember being in London on the day the IRA set a bomb off in 1996, I remember the removal of all the litter bins in London, and the regular bomb scares causing the evacuation of Tube and train stations. But everyone still went to work, and they still do today. People were, and are, vaguely fearful but not enough to change much about how they live.
I guess the main difference is that there are perhaps more Muslim fundamentalists in the world than there ever were IRA fanatics. And the indiscriminate nature of the attacks with no intention to damage infrastructure or government operations, rather to intimidate the population at large. And the phenomenon of the suicide bomber, which was alien in this country until a few years ago.
Actually they are all twats to me! But thats just my opinion!
Nice tactic. Replace Jew with Zionism and the fantastical discredited anti-Semitic Jewish conspiracy is no longer anti-Semitic in the eyes of the naive and gullibe.
Could we lay this one to rest. There's plenty of reasons why people can slag of McDonalds, but they do not and never have supported the Irish Republican Army.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE7DB1739F933A05752C1A96F948260
A bit of common sense should have squashed this one. If they funded the IRA they're actually breaking UK law (and even in the US direct funding of the IRA is now illegal) and I've not seen any senior McDonalds executive carted off to jail. You might also think some senior UK politician, policeman or soldier might have also mentioned the fact they funding the IRA sometime in the last thirty years.
Shame. I like pinning stuff on McDonalds
Either way... I bet it was actually McDonalds who organised 9/11.
Or were they Burger Kings?
Al Quada is a worldwide threat. 'They' or people with similar mentalities, have carried out bombings in the USA, England, Egypt, Bali, Jordan. The IRA only did stuff in England and Northern Ireland. Also, numbers of casualties were lower. Also suicide bombers were not in use. They appear to be exclusive to Islamic extremists.
If you asked Islamists I'm sure they'd tell you they have a clear purpose, but thats not really the point.
The IRA of the 70-80's, the anarchists of the early 1900's, virtually every other terrorist group or AQ are all the same, just slightly different methods. You disagree with us, so we'll shoot/bomb you till you change your mind or die. Simple really.
The IRA of the 70-80's, the anarchists of the early 1900's, virtually every other terrorist group or AQ are all the same, just slightly different methods. You disagree with us, so we'll shoot/bomb you till you change your mind or die. Simple really.[/QUOTE]
But they didn't change their minds did they? And the bombings have stopped.
I would like to know what the purpose of Al Quada bombing is. Has Osama ever actually said what they want?
The downfall of America, Muslims not oppressed in Russia, Israel and Kashmiere.... plus a few other bits and bobs.
Yes, the IRA have changed their minds, and what has changed since the 70's, we now dont treat Catholics in NI like shite. Which is of course a simplistic way of looking at it, but thats what it largely boils down to.
Why don't they concentrate on bombing those places then if that's what they're bothered about? I don't get why they target USA and UK when Muslims in those countries are treated equally and are not opressed. Why not bomb Russia/Kashmere/Israel? I understand the whole foreign policy thing but even so.
They do bomb there, but dont make the mistake of thinking all 'muslim' terrorists are part of some big organisation, they're not, they have very vague links if any at all.
They bomb 'soft' targets because its easier, places like Turkey and Egypt have American and Western tourists, thats easier than getting them in the US.
They target the US because its big and powerful and us because we're similar.
I personally wouldn't say that Muslims here and in the US are treated equally.
Muslims here and in the US if not treated equally indisputably are treated infinitely better than Christians, non-Muslims and gays in the Arab world.
Yes, but what's that to do with the question?
A Palestinian state and independence for Chechnya would only go towards appeasing Palestinian and Chechnyan terrorists - it wouldn't really have any effect on al Qaeda. (Although Hamas and Islamic Jihad claim that a Palestinian state would not change their desire for the absolute destruction of Israel, both have said they are committed to continuing violence and terror even when a Palestinian state materialises).
It's also interesting actually how little al Qaeda/Bin Laden speak of Israel/Palestine and the 'enemy' according to Bin Laden is more regularly defined as the 'crusading Christians'; the Europeans and the Americans rather than Zionists. Al Qaeda has far more of a gripe with US influence in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan than it does with the US being slightly sympathetic towards Israel – anyway, Europe offsets US sympathies towards Israel by being unashamedly anti-Israel.
And Muslims in Israel are treated better than Muslims in any other Middle Eastern country. Muslim Israeli citizens under Israeli law have equal rights to Jews in Israel. Muslims in Israel are among the few Muslims in the Middle East who can vote in free and fair elections. Arab-Israelis have their own political parties in the Knesset. Interestingly too the rise in population of Muslims in Israel since 1948 is mainly due to immigration, many Muslims in the Middle East live in Israel by choice. Unsurprising really, many Muslims choose to live in the West and enjoy the right to vote in democratic elections, exercise freedom of religion, free speech and enjoy the benefits of a liberal democracy. Muslims in Israel enjoy all of these rights.
It wasn't obvious what you made the remark in reference to. If it was as some vague explanation for Muslim terrorism (the West mistreating Western Muslims causing terrorism) well then it raises the question of why Christians, Jews and gays are not bombing Middle Eastern interests to protest against the persecution of Christians, etc in the Arab world.