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9 peaceful people vs 50 police
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guess what happened?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5007214.stm
well he is going to starve himself, thank you oh so democratic country :mad:
anyway my question to you? would he of been wrong to physically resist basically the threat of violence.... if it was me i would of used the threat of violence to keep my protest going, but he is a stronge rman and hopefully he will get the lords to overturn this law
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5007214.stm
well he is going to starve himself, thank you oh so democratic country :mad:
anyway my question to you? would he of been wrong to physically resist basically the threat of violence.... if it was me i would of used the threat of violence to keep my protest going, but he is a stronge rman and hopefully he will get the lords to overturn this law
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Well done!
But yea, it is a bit crap, people should be allowed to protest all they like wherever they like (so long as its peaceful and non-disruptive i.e. not standing in someones way or preventing them from going around you).
Philip Howard Sinner-Winner ASBO story
How exactly was he 'extremely' offensive? I am continually amazed at how easily offended some people apparently are...He was irritating, a weirdo and evidently a bit mad but extremely offensive? Now the Christian bloke has been banned from Oxford Street though there is surely a space for the anti-war chap?
Anyway, just because someone or something is offensive it doesn’t mean they should be banned. The Da Vinci Code offends some Catholics and cartoons of Muhammad offend Muslims – should they be banned?
He would often pick on individuals and condemn them over the megaphone making everyone stare at them. He would for example pick on a pretty girl and tell her she was going to hell for being vain, for worshipping herself instead of God (even though he knows nothing of her religious life). Or tell off shoppers for "worshipping" John Lewis instead of Jesus.
He insults Christians too. He has told several of my friends who are in the Salvation Army that they are going to Hell (even knowing they are Salvationists which you might think he would approve of).
I would feel really embarassed if it was me he picked on ever over the megaphone and would obviously have no chance to defend myself as I don't generally carry a megaphone with me whilst on Oxford Street.
From the Christian perspective his evangelism style is an embarassment and he clearly puts far more people off the religion than he could possible attract. Far from demonstrating love (which is the most important commandment to Christians) he wastes time and money on telling random people he does not even know that they are going to hell. Imagine what good he could achieve, in the name of Jesus, if he put his time and resources into actually helping people rather than condemning them.
*Sorry for thread-hijacking. I guess it is still to do with freedom of speech etc*
I’m aware of that and so what? There’s no legislation as far as I know outlawing some fruitcake from announcing that people are going to hell. If he was inciting racial hatred – which is against the law, there would be some merit to ban him from the area.
Almost everybody ignored him, ‘making everyone stare at them’ – lol, a complete exaggeration.
I haven’t said he’s a nice bloke. I haven’t denied that he’s a nutter.
So do you think that law and order should be about protecting people from embarrassment as well as er upholding the law?
That’s great but I don’t think we should be banning people from doing things because they might put people off religion. Maybe I’m out of touch with what’s offensive and what isn’t but shouting a few nonsensical remarks about going to hell or being a sinner to the odd pedestrian passing by is hardly serious harassment imo. Anyway such weirdos make our city centres more interesting. And where else can they go? Like anybody daring to wear a hoodie they’re banned in shopping malls.
Ditto.
How about the Parliament Square megaphone guy goes to Oxford Street now? It's not as if he will have to compete with the megaphone preacher who's now banned...And there’s no special laws covering Oxford Circus. (But an ASBO can get round that one).
That is not true. Most people seem to stare at him in dis-belief!
In this context yes. We should have the right to walk the streets without fear someone saying offensive remarks about us into a megaphone.
They might be non-sensical to you but I don't think you can assume they are to everyone. It is hardly the odd time it happens either, it was constant. If you walk down Oxford Street often you get told you are going to Hell often, it's as simple as that.
There are already two other mega-phone ministries going on in that patch. But I don't think anyone is going to rush take an ASBO out against these other individuals as they preach in a largely non-offensive way.
*rant over*
Imagine if not many people had heard of his campaign, if nobody knew who he is... He might not even get a trial.
no she was charged under the same law and taken court and subsequently given a fine....
yes we really do live in a democracy
i love how people would say 'he should have a job' as if thats all they can say
the be a winner not a sinner guy started round my home town area, kind of useless in that its mainly quite devout non christians
he was amusing, yeh i said im going to hell but i dont believe him, nor did i pay him any attention the later times i saw him, i believe his prodegy speaks around there now, hes not as enthusiastic though
It is just shame that most of the people in the UK will see this on the news... and not do anything. We should complain, and hold our government to account! If everyone wrote to them complaining, and threataning that if we don't get our freedoms back, we shall take action...
Then that'd show the fuckers and scare them into it. Remember, with Democracy, the idea is the PEOPLE have [power over their government if they start cunting around.
Tony thinks he is the President, not the Prime Minister.