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Judging by today's comments from inside US/UK Govts there is a strong possibility that Somalia will be next in the anti-terrorist target list.
Is this becuase there is evidence that Somalia actively supports terrorism or is it becuase they embarrassed the US no so long ago? If the latter, does that mean the Vietnam is next ? <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Seriously, no-one working inside Somalia believes that the Govt there supports the terrorist network - so who would the US attack?
Is this becuase there is evidence that Somalia actively supports terrorism or is it becuase they embarrassed the US no so long ago? If the latter, does that mean the Vietnam is next ? <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Seriously, no-one working inside Somalia believes that the Govt there supports the terrorist network - so who would the US attack?
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The only reason im against the possible attack on Somalia is that its not the right time. The US is still occupied with Afghanistan at the moment. Sure they can launch air strikes on the AL-Queda camps in Somalia but they will never destroy them until they get soldiers on the ground. I saw wait a few months, get Afghanistan on the road to recovery and then turn the attention on Somalia et al.
Is there even a government in Somalia? Sorry if that sounds a little ignorant but I have no idea. The whole Ranger thing in Somalia was a god awful fuckup by the US. They should have made sure those Rangers had some decent American support rather than shitty UN forces. <IMG alt="image" SRC="mad.gif" border="0">
What we need to be sure is that we are targetting the right people - any attack like the Isralie one the other day where they killed two children will only result in a weakening of support. We must be more surgical in our strikes. If we are going to get the ringleaders, then go for them and not anyone who happens to be in the neighbourhood - as the Israelis seem to do.
Like you say, get troops on the ground if that is the only way to make sure that we take out the right people.
You really need to get away from your Israel issues MoK <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
The bombing of yet another bus full of innocents by Pales today has a bad effect on their cause as well but we must tow the party line and keep the criticisms to the purely angelic Pales. <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
You will have noticed that I mention the Palestinians in my attack on all fronts. Hamas etc are as much a threat as the Israeli Govt. Each just notches up the stakes on a daily basis - today's attack is an example and Israel will attack another town with rocket ship regardless of who they hit.
I'd support Israel wholeheartedly if I thought that they were only interested in the people who carry out and order the attacks - like the US/UK are in Afghanistan - but I don't believe that they are. Their actions to date don't support that arguement. I honestly believe that they won;t be happy until there are no more arabs on 'Israeli' soil afterall that is the Zionist principle...
Israel cries 'terrorism' for every attack and then react in the same manner - the difference being the weaponry used. If Hamas had gunships they would use them in the same way that Israel does.
I think that is what I was trying to get at in the other thread. I cannot support terrorism and that includes the tactics employed by Israel at the moment...
Palestinians deliberately target children and innocents with their bombs.
Israelis target the terrorists and PA police stations and any innocents killed are purely accidental..
The difference is intent
The Pales target civilians ony and occasionally kill a couple of Israeli military. The Israelis target terrorists and PA police officers only and occasionally kill a couple of civilians.
The EU now seems to ageee with me seeing as they have come out on the Israeli side now after years of support for the Pales. They have ordered Arafat to arrest the Hamas guys and Islamic Jihad guys. It seems that people are finally wising up to the fact that the poor, oppressed, innocent pales are so.
Oh and if all Israelis are zionists then all Brits are members of the NF. <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
I agree that the leaders of the terrorist organisations should be targetted, but that's not what the Israelis do. There doesn't appear to be any goal other than to kill as many Arabs as possible...
Like I have said before, I support the notion of going after terrorists, but that's not what the Israelis do. Whereas for the US in Afghanistan civilian deaths were accidental and the did their utmost to keep them to a minimum, the Israelis fire the rockets directly into residential areas - they don't seem to care what they hit. When you add this to their forcible removal of palestinains from their homes, to build jewish only settlements. To me that makes it terrorist style tactics, and for that reason I cannot support what they do. ...
If they change tactics though...
That wasn't what I meant or said. I said it was a Zionist principle that there were no Arabs on Israeli soil. At present there is a right wing government in Israel.
This doesn't mean that ALL Israelis support their government in the same way that neither you or I are socialists - yet we have a Labour govt (although I wouldn't exactly say they were socialist either <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">)
Do you think that it is a coincidence that the peace process died just as this right wing govt was elected? The current PM's first statement was that he wouldn't uphold Israels part of the peace agreement which had just been agreed - hardly a good sign was it?
I think we both know that if Israel wanted to kill as many arabs as possible, it could do a much better job. They could quite easily remove every arab from israel and successfully fight off any arab attacks from surrounding countries.
The Israeli govt may fire rockets into residential areas but guess what...The PA builds its facilities in...yup you got it, residential areas.
Now i know youre not that ignorant mate...They fire at official palestinian authority buildings and terrorist headquarters. They most certainly do not fire indiscriminately into the arab population.
Zionist policy is zionist policy. They arent zionists in power....The PLO covenent is still in force over in Arafats camp and that has the aims of the complete destruction of Israel within.
Both sides are arseholes and need their heads bashed together..It all comes down to the usual thing. Unless you can offer an alternative then shuuuuuut itttt <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
Still sound like bullying?
Got it in one <IMG alt="image" SRC="tongue.gif" border="0"> Both sides are morons, intent on killing as many people as possible. I happen to agree with the Pale ideas, that Israel has forcibly removed Arabs from Israel, and that its wrong, but its like in Ireland...bombing babies aint the way to do it.
They should just grow up. Fat chance of that happening mind <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Ok if both sides have to cool down then why is all the pressure on Israel to sit back and take the punishment without responding?
If Israel ignores one bombing of a bus then another goes off the next day, then the next and so on.
Arafat has shown himself to be totally useless. He doesnt do anything. If he wont arrest the known terrorists then either the Israelis should be allowed to or the UN should get off their arses and do it.
You mean like the UK did? When did we use rocket ships or bombers?
Israel needs to take the upper hand - what they are actually doing is adding fuel to the fire
Or a bomb in Warrington, Enniskillen, Omagh, Harrods etc
He's in a impossible situation, and you know that as do Israel. If he arrests people he will lose the support of the Palestinians and then you have no-one to negotiate with - if he does nothing then Israel will blow the shit out of them. That's why I suggested the use of the UN...
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So what do YOU suggest - I've yet to see you come up with an alternative - surely you don't think that things should remain the same...I'm certain that you will have given it some thought so I'll throw your comments earlier back to you...put up or shut up...