bush

Former Member · July 2001

who thinks george bush is a complete twat?, i hav many reasons y i h8 him but it'll take years 4 me 2 write it all out.

Former Member · July 2001

ah. u probably hate him cos he's a capitalist?

i think he's a very deranged, scary man who still lives in the cold war era.

welcome to the Cold War 2.

I'll be sitting on top when it all goes wrong again

Former Member · July 2001

Guess the signature says it all...

Oi. George W. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/flip.gif">

Former Member · July 2001

Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
Guess the signature says it all...

wow. profound. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">

I'll be sitting on top when it all goes wrong again

Former Member · July 2001

Is he the guy that's always trying to start wars & stuff?

That sucks, war is not good.

So with one hand on the wheel
The other out the window
With a smile on my face
My middle finger up...

Former Member · July 2001

Originally posted by Turtle:
wow. profound. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">

Thought I'd go for the short post.

Seems to work for you.

Better than a diatribe on how useless and offensive the man really is...

Former Member · July 2001

tru, tru. but this is bush. it's always fun to hear of new reasons to hate him.

I'll be sitting on top when it all goes wrong again

Former Member · July 2001

not him running the country, it's his advisors

the US president has less power than the PM in Britain

don't really see a problem, shouldn't affect us too much...he'll be gone next time round

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/ukliam2.gif">

Former Member · July 2001

ak... at least you guys aren't living in the U$! I protested at the republican convention and at his inaguration. He's awful. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/mad.gif">

rar! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/mica/bite.gif">

Former Member · July 2001

Originally posted by Turtle:
tru, tru. but this is bush. it's always fun to hear of new reasons to hate him.

Why not visit one of these sites:
www.whereskyoto.com, www.whatstarwarsprogram.net
or www.thankgodmybrotherwasgovernorofflorida.com

Oi. George W. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/flip.gif">

[This message has been edited by Man Of Kent (edited 10-07-2001).]

Former Member · July 2001

Puppet.

Former Member · July 2001

Bush this Bush that - I didnt even vote for Bush (Libertarian thank you) and I dont have nearly the issues most people have with him.

Ill address some Bush attacks:
1 He cheated in the election. Oh my not this one - for several weeks after the election and several more after his innauguration, democrats and related special interest groups charged election fraud - wheres the proof of this? How bad of an opponnent was Al Gore who failed to even win his own state?
Sorry, theres absolutely no proof available that Bush cheated or that his brother Jeb had anything to do with the dimpled chad contraversy. I am however all for revamping the whole election ballot process and ridding the nation of the Electoral College and allowing the popular vote decire our presidents - by the way Bush won the popular vote.

2. Bushs tax cut hurts the poor and special interest groups and benefits only the rich. I wish I were rich but since Im among the poor (middle class actually) Im more than happy to recieve my 300 bucks - thanks, George. The fact is its not really a tax cut at all - instead its giving back to America a huge federal surplus - as far as special interest groups funded by the government - I say good; theyre badly managed, have done little to help the poor and minority groups and are staffed largely by political appointments instead of real qualified applicants. Simply put the tax dollars are going unspent - its mine and I want my check.

3. Bush is anti environment. Please dont throw Kyoto at Bush - the environmental policies of Kyoto would pose more restrictions on companies and force them to spend more money to bring facilities into compliance. Spending such money in an unstable economy such as this puts American jobs at extreme risk because of those expenses - I commend George for taking that stand to protect American employment interests.
3. Bush is anti - homosexual and pro religion. This is his latest contraversy - it appears the Salvation Army, a Christian charities group tried to lobby with the Bush administration for exemptions in Federal law as pertaining to their right to NOT hire homosexuals. The Salvation Army recieves federal money to support their mission of charity and people are complaining this is a form of discrimination against gays - look at it from the organizations perspectve though: they're Christian based. Christianity is decidedly anti gay - to hire gays would be an affront to their religious convictions - I personally dislike any government affiliation with religion at all but am willing to recognize that a religion or any group should never be in a position of compromising their beleifs because theyre recieving federal money - to do so is merely a form of reverse discrimination and a clear violation of the 1st Amendment.

4. Bush supports the Death Penalty.
Rightfully so - in the case of the McVeigh execution, CNN polled some 1000 Americans - 67% agreed with the execution of McVeigh. I can also recall the execution of Karla Faye Tucker in 1998 - Tucker killed her boyfriend and a woman he was sleeping with by means of a pic axe in 1981 - again, a high percentage of Americans in independant polls supported her execution - maybe that makes us barbarians in the eyes of the socially evolved countries like Britan - but as George says - its the will of the American people. - My will too by the way.

So please people, none of this is Bush's fault - he hasnt been in office that long for anyone to make an adequate assessment of him. Im speaking as someone who voted for Harry Browne as I thought both candidates sucked - but Id say we chose the lesser of 2 evils this time around.

Former Member · July 2001

Originally posted by DevilMan:
Ill address some Bush attacks:
1 He cheated in the election. Oh my not this one - for several weeks after the election and several more after his innauguration, democrats and related special interest groups charged election fraud - wheres the proof of this? How bad of an opponnent was Al Gore who failed to even win his own state?
Sorry, theres absolutely no proof available that Bush cheated or that his brother Jeb had anything to do with the dimpled chad contraversy. I am however all for revamping the whole election ballot process and ridding the nation of the Electoral College and allowing the popular vote decire our presidents - by the way Bush won the popular vote.

Okay, to be honest I don't believe that the vote was fixed and I'll admit that it is just a stick to beat him with. There were other issues in the elction which should concern US citizens as well as the 'Florida Issue' - one being that is it right that the brother of one of the candidates is in such a position where the propriety of the elction can be called into question?

but I thnik that your biggest problem is the electoral college thing, and you need to sort it, otherwise you could face allegations of being non-democratic.

2. Bushs tax cut hurts the poor and special interest groups and benefits only the rich. I wish I were rich but since Im among the poor (middle class actually) Im more than happy to recieve my 300 bucks - thanks, George. The fact is its not really a tax cut at all - instead its giving back to America a huge federal surplus - as far as special interest groups funded by the government - I say good; theyre badly managed, have done little to help the poor and minority groups and are staffed largely by political appointments instead of real qualified applicants. Simply put the tax dollars are going unspent - its mine and I want my check.

Surely here the issue is to make sure that they DO go to the areas that need them, not back into the pocket of people who can afford to be without this amount. I mean will $300 make such a big difference to your life? When you look at the poverty in your country (as in ours, I might add) do you not feel that society doesn't help these people? Do you not feel a little guilty that rather than sort the REAL problem, George W. seeks to buy off those who least need it? Especially at a time of ecomic downturn which will mean a greter draw on the welfare system.

3. Bush is anti environment. Please dont throw Kyoto at Bush - the environmental policies of Kyoto would pose more restrictions on companies and force them to spend more money to bring facilities into compliance. Spending such money in an unstable economy such as this puts American jobs at extreme risk because of those expenses - I commend George for taking that stand to protect American employment interests.

The economy woun't mean shit of we all have to wear five million factor sun block ina few years time will it. this is where deomcracy dissappears and capitalism takes over. there is NOTHING more important than the survival of the human race. Economic was designed by man as a bartering system, it is NOT the be all and end all of the world which is what the capitalism suggests.

Kyoto affects the whole world, if one of the worlds 'super'powers cannot ratify it, then why would the rest of the world. When you look at the amount of pollution emitted by the US don;t you feel that you should contribute in someway to a drop in these emissions?

Also, the son of an Oil Man, from the Oil State, financed by the Oil Industry. Did you think he would be pro-Kyoto, ever? Do you think he would ever support a reduction in the burning of fossil fuels?

3. Bush is anti - homosexual and pro religion. This is his latest contraversy - it appears the Salvation Army, a Christian charities group tried to lobby with the Bush administration for exemptions in Federal law as pertaining to their right to NOT hire homosexuals. The Salvation Army recieves federal money to support their mission of charity and people are complaining this is a form of discrimination against gays - look at it from the organizations perspectve though: they're Christian based. Christianity is decidedly anti gay - to hire gays would be an affront to their religious convictions - I personally dislike any government affiliation with religion at all but am willing to recognize that a religion or any group should never be in a position of compromising their beleifs because theyre recieving federal money - to do so is merely a form of reverse discrimination and a clear violation of the 1st Amendment.

I wasn;t aware of this controversy, so I am only going by the information you have supplied. To the christians I point out that all men are created equal and that they do not have the right to judge others actions, only God can do that. On the day opf reckoning the 'deviants' that the christian see, will be judged by God. The bible contradicts itself in so many places.

If they are that concerned about judgement according to the bible then I would expect them to be anti-death penatlty (Thou Shalt Not Kill), to stone anyone who workls on a sabbath (the Bible tells you to) etc.

Or is it just that they are bigotted? Surely this isn't an issue of free speech, but an argument about the right to discrimate.

4. Bush supports the Death Penalty.
Rightfully so - in the case of the McVeigh execution, CNN polled some 1000 Americans - 67% agreed with the execution of McVeigh. I can also recall the execution of Karla Faye Tucker in 1998 - Tucker killed her boyfriend and a woman he was sleeping with by means of a pic axe in 1981 - again, a high percentage of Americans in independant polls supported her execution - maybe that makes us barbarians in the eyes of the socially evolved countries like Britan - but as George says - its the will of the American people. - My will too by the way.

My belief is, as you say, that the death penalty is barbaric and actually reduces you as a society to McVeigh's level.

The point of justice is that it should be better than the criminal, and by killing another human, it just repeats the crime which was committed in the first place. Just becase the State has sanctioned it, doesn't make it any better.

But, as you say, it is the will of the 'american' people

You have missed something that IS directly from Bush. The 'Star Wars' program. Dangerous.

Former Member · July 2001

4. Bush supports the Death Penalty.
Rightfully so - in the case of the McVeigh execution, CNN polled some 1000 Americans - 67% agreed with the execution of McVeigh. I can also recall the execution of Karla Faye Tucker in 1998 - Tucker killed her boyfriend and a woman he was sleeping with by means of a pic axe in 1981 - again, a high percentage of Americans in independant polls supported her execution - maybe that makes us barbarians in the eyes of the socially evolved countries like Britan - but as George says - its the will of the American people. - My will too by the way.

My belief is, as you say, that the death penalty is barbaric and actually reduces you as a society to McVeigh's level.

The point of justice is that it should be better than the criminal, and by killing another human, it just repeats the crime which was committed in the first place. Just becase the State has sanctioned it, doesn't make it any better.

But, as you say, it is the will of the 'american' people

You have missed something that IS directly from Bush. The 'Star Wars' program. Dangerous.

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Right or wrong, agree or disagree with us - Americans have countless times demanded death as a punishment for certain crimes - While it would be too much for me to rationalize all the arguments - I can certainly give you mine. I find it irrational to the point of absurdity to have someone like Tim McVeigh being fed and clothed on my dime until he dies of old age - knowing full well that 168 people died by his hands. He will never repent, show remorse or become a "productive" member of society - so why allow him to live at all? Maybe I sound callous, but thats the only way I can see this issue without going mad - 168 people! thats many times more than the average serial killer tallies - a combat soldier in Vietnam falls far below that average of kills.

As far a Star Wars - no I dont care for that proposal. Nuclear threats are at an all time low - instead of such a costly plan, world powers ought to take more serious efforts at stopping the spread of illegal nuclear arms to high risk countries like Iraq - face it theyre a threat to anyone not like them- and gone unchecked, Bush's paranoia will have been fully justified.

Not copied but quoted - the tax issue - no 300 dollars wont make a huge difference to me - but every bit helps. Simply put - if the government doesnt use what it takes, give it back - we as taxpayers deserve that much. Also with unemployment still at an all time low and poverty / homelessness folowing, Id say we're , making good enough strides to allow ourselves a share in the governments riches.

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