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Another LONG post from the NI Front~!

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    FOR DIESEL: Answer my questions. As far as I'm concerned YOU indirectly fund and support the islamic terrorists by funding the IRA, you are a terrorist youself.

    Kaz, The majority of Irish people I meet in the approx 3 yrs I spent in NI were great, friendly people and I love the country it's beautiful.
    Normal people of both religions were fine and like anywhere just want to get on with life.

    The terrorists on both side are beyond contempt.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quoting from RM

    >>> Gerry Kelly MLA on policing in the 6 Counties


    First of all let me be clear and succinct. Nobody wants a civic
    policing service more than those who suffer from bad policing.
    Nationalists & Republicans in the 6 Counties have suffered, under
    the hands at the RUC for generations. The RUC is, and has been
    the paramilitary arm of unionism. It is, and has been involved
    in every possible act of oppression from sectarian abuse and
    intimidation on the street, abusing human rights, beatings,
    systemised interrogation and torture through to collusion and
    killings. These are facts, irrefutably highlighted by a whole
    range of international Human Rights organisations like Amnesty
    International. What is even more important perhaps is that they
    have done all of this with impunity; without let or hindrance.
    Some have even been promoted to spite or perhaps because of their
    record of suppression.

    So, not surprisingly in the negotiations surrounding the Good
    Friday Agreement the demand for a new, accountable and
    representative police service was key.

    This became a requirement of the Good Friday Agreement signed up
    to not just by Sinn Fein but also by the 2 governments and all of
    the other parties Unionist and Nationalist.

    The rest, as they say is history. We had the Patten
    recommendations. Sinn Fein took the position that if the Patten
    Report was implemented in full there may be a basis for a new
    policing service and that in these circumstances we would not be
    found wanting.

    At times the debate appeared to be complicated. The detail was
    voluminous. But lets not be blinded by the volume of detail.
    Herepis where we are at this point. The police Act that was
    passed by the British Parliament is not Patten and is not the New
    Beginning to Policing that the people in the North and throughout
    Ireland have the right to expect. Indeed no one is claiming that
    we have achieved the new beginning not the British Government,
    not the Irish Government or the SDLP and certainly not us. All
    accept, that there is a gap to be closed between what was agreed
    and what the British Government are currently proposing.

    Sinn Fein has spelt out publicly, and in detail, where the Act
    and the current British proposals fall short.

    But perhaps the easiest and clearest way to judge where we are at
    is to ask 10 questions as to when will we have a new beginning to
    policing.

    1. When all members of the police service are bound by one new
    Human Rights oath as required by Patten.

    2. When and how will abusers of Human Rights be screened out of
    service in new policing structures?

    3. When will lethal plastic bullets be banned?

    4. When the composition of the police service is representative
    of the makeup of the community it polices.

    5. When the ethos of the new police service means nationalists
    and republicans can serve as equals in a new police service.

    6. When the truth is told about shoot-to-kill, collusion and
    torture.

    7. When the Special Branch is made subject to democratic
    accountability and its position as a aforce within a forcepi is
    ended.

    8. When the use of repressive legislation is ended.

    9. When the law, that is the Police Act, gives the Policing Board
    full independent powers to hold the police service to account.

    10. When the police service is answerable to and a part of the
    local community.


    Unfortunately, and to my regret the present British Government
    proposals fail in each and every one of the 10 reasonable
    criteria.

    It is regrettable also that in these circumstances the SDLP and
    the Irish Government have chosen to support the British
    Government position on policing.

    Their support of the British position and the SDLP decision to
    take seats on the Policing Board has effectively sundered the
    broad consensus that had emerged on this issue. It is in my view
    a mistake of mammoth proportion. The argument is that we should
    trust the British Government to bring in the necessary amending
    legislation. 30 years ago the British Government said to trust
    them on the UDR - The SDLP did so, and found to all our costs
    that they were wrong. If the British Government had been trusted
    on the Police Bill when it went into Westminster for the first
    reading then we wouldpive had a greater mountain to climb. The
    reason we demand the legislation, the reason we want to see the
    script is because the British Government has proven that they
    cannot be trusted in this area.

    Let's be clear, the British Government are not honest brokers.
    The only party involved in the policing debate, which has the
    power to do anything about this, is the British Government. All
    power to give effect to amending legislation to achieve what was
    agreed on Good Friday rests with the British Government - not
    with the Policing Board or the Oversight Commissioner. This is
    solely a remit of the British Government.

    For these reasons Sinn Fein has not nominated to the Policing
    Board. Sinn Fein is calling on young people not to join the
    Police Force.

    Those with a stated commitment to a New Policing Service who join
    or nominate to the Board at this time are, in my view making a
    mistake.

    The issue of Policing is central in any society, the more so in a
    society attempting to emerge from conflict into a new beginning
    of all all kinds, and especially when the RUC has been used for
    so long, indeed for generations as a partisan tool of conflict
    and division by unionists and the British government alike.

    Amending legislation is necessary to achieve the threshold of
    Patten. As for as Sinn Fein is concerned the negotiations
    continue till we achieve a new beginning to policing. It is not
    a matter of trust. It is a matter of seeing it happen (in black
    and white). We do not and will not accept: -

    (1) 2nd class status for our Ministers
    (2) 2nd class status for our elected representatives
    (3) 2nd class status for our voters

    Neither will we accept a second-class or second rate police
    force. We should leave this Ard Fheis today as activists ready
    to campaign vigorously against recruitment to this present
    paramilitary police force and ready to campaign for the proper
    policing service required by the Good Friday Agreement and by the
    people of Ireland.




    Diesel

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sinn Fein complain about inequality in the police force, then discourages young Catholics to join ?!

    Oh yeah, really interested in progress. Not.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Diesel if I want to read IRA crap I'll go on their site, if I want to read loyalist crap I'll go on their site.

    Why do you keep posting it here ? a link for people to goto would do.
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