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I dont see coke as being a harder drug than E and all the bullshit about people moving onto crack and smack is just reactionary bollocks.
All of the illegal drugs in this world are made and bought/sold through corruption.
If you have a problem with mass murder and criminality don't buy any drugs simple as. At the same time don't go shopping in a supermarket or buy a pair of Nike Trainers or Gap trrousers.
There's a line you have to draw under things. Sure the coke trade is fierce and brutal in South America, but you can't say it;s the only one.
Cocaine definitely has more addictive potential then E.
I'm sorry but that is just rubbish, certainly Nike arent exactly a mom and pop all lovely ethical company, but to compare them with cocaine production is just stupid.
When was the last time Nike bombed judges or people in politics it didnt like?
When was the last time Nike tried to over throw a government?
When was the last time Nike had a 10,000 man well trained army?
Of course cocaine isnt the only drug to have effects like this, but to my mind in terms of death and destruction its the worse (though closely followed by heroin and meth).
Given it makes your brain re-learn what pleasure is to down grade everything else other than cocaine I'd say so.
And given it programmes the brain to actually release dopamine in expectation of a hit when stimuli are noticed. Thus making the craving even stronger if the cocaine isnt delivered.
Also some people get really paranoid on gear and wanna fight everyone whereas i find with pills it just chill you out a bit more and you just let go!
I tend to do gear more in pubs also and it is such a chore in clubs, a proper ceromony! then there is the code talk if a bouncer walks in! ha ha oh memories!
grown by a very nice family with no criminal past ...no criminal connections and no criminal desires.
and a fine product it is too.
More and more weed is UK grown, but that doesnt mean nice stuff like this, its still the intensive hydro which used to get imported.
Yep...the more i've read about this, the more i've realised i objectively prefer E to coke...but when meeting my dealer with the intention of buying pills and i'm offered coke, i'm compelled to buy the ching. Cutting out lines and just seeing the coke is a considerable pleasure in itself.
there is alot of evidence to echo that, I'm a bit busy at the moment but a bit later if i get time i shall try and find you some examples in research if you are interested.
The relation between signs and reactions is of a similar relation to seeing a fat, juicy steak or (to quote Snatch) 'like curry to a pisshead'. Its a neuro-psychological phenomemnon which is common to most anything regularly imbibed with a pleasurable reaction. What coke does that others don't it would appear, is take this one step further by making it not just pleasurable but prefferable.
I'm not saying it is.
But you cant pretend to be holier than thou about one drug without realising corruption and capitalism is all around you in your every day life.
I dont disagee the production's shit, people are hurt and killed every single day.
I just find it hypocritical that people will say they won't do coke because it's unethical.
Roll on fair-trade chang :cool:
I'm pleased for you
You're the exception though IMO
Yeah sure, i'm always interested in whatever i'm taking. One thing i have noticed is that a lot of cokeheads don't seem to ever quit for a substantial period...it's sniff sniff sniff every weekend...whereas with E people go through periods, give it up for a lengthy stretches, then go back.
Yeah, it is true about the thought of a line of coke... weird!
In terms of people going on and off pills, im sure that would be down to the fact that pills noticeably punish you more if you do them week in week out. Where as coke may leave you feeling a bit crappy the next day, but nothing a good sleep wont sort out and you will be fresh by monday!
Yeah, comedowns from E can become shocking after a while...when they started lasting several days i avoided taking them altogether. Totally agree about coke comedowns, usually a day's rest is enough to sort you out...although maybe not your bank acount! :eek:
That's because you dont need to with coke. :thumb:
I dont get a come down off it tbh and a lot of my mates don't.
Pills is another story though, all about the old Seratonin levels innit
i think your living my dream.
and i wonder what the government would say to that?
probably fuck all.
That, 'pleasure' which you say you get from chopping up is part of the reason its so addictive.
Chocolate may give you cravings, but it doesnt re-set your pleasure response to down grade everything else other than chocolate.
It also buggers with the part of the brain which tells you 'you've had enough' like when you eat, towards the end of the meal the desire is reduced. This response natural in other things is turned off with cocaine, so you dont ever have enough.
So in some ways you could argue that actually the addiction to cocaine is physical, just not in the same way as a heroin addiction is.
And, if you give animals free access to it they will go without sleep, food and sex, and keep using till they die.
Always wise when its your first time, take it easy and dont try and keep up consumption with someone who uses regularly.