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Democrats are a near cert to win the next election regardless of who's running.
Anyway I’m proud that Condi Rice is in Britain, given the hole that Blackburn is if I lived there I’d be pretty flattered that somebody so important had chose to visit. It’s a shame they couldn’t take her to nicer parts of the country although part of the purpose of the visit was to see Straw’s hometown but regardless it’s fantastic that she’s came here.
For the most part she got a warm welcome and I hope she remembers and people in the US that the silent majority have no objection to her visit.
I was wondering what that might be. Care to inform us ignorant Southerners?
And I really don’t see the fuss in a few losers with nothing better to do ‘protesting’ at her visit
their numbers are pretty miniscule
and watching the television reports of these ‘protests’ it’s pretty evident that most ‘protesters’ present could barely string a sentence together let alone form a rational and reasoned opinion of Ms Rice.
Interesting to see that the protests featured teachers waving National Union of Teachers banners together with school kids bunking off school – indoctrination? Then there’s the usual crowd of unemployed nobodies recruited at the pub by some overgrown student leader from the ‘Stop the War Coalition.’ For the most part she got a warm welcome and I hope she remembers and people in the US that the silent majority have no objection to her visit.
The silent majority wasn't there to welcome her either, was it? Nice logic
Most people don’t have a problem with a representative of a foreign government, in this case the USA visiting this country. It’s funny how the far-left rarely kick up much of a fuss when Chinese leaders are in town...
Why wasn’t the silent majority there to welcome her? I guess it’s because most of them work for a living and don’t really have anything to protest about – Rice is visiting and is here. I remember even from when Bush was here polling of the British public displayed support for his visit so it’s extremely unlikely that most people opposed Rice’s visit.
Funnily enough it's usually people from the 'left' (though not exclusively, other people from other and none political leanings also join them) who actually protest against officials from unpleasant regimes coming to town, being Chinese or anyone else.
And why would it be otherwise? There are a few honourable exceptions but generally speaking left-of-centre people have far more morals and principles than right-of-centre folks and they don't think it's acceptable to be allies with nasty regimes for the sake of economical gain or geopolitical games.
I'd say most people (rightly) view her for what she is: another nasty neocon with no principles or honesty, happy to defend the use of torture, to lie and be nothing more than another mouthpiece for the neocon movement.
I mean, what's to like about the woman?
I’m not so sure. Most of the groups opposed to China seem pretty single-issue, there’s certainly no wide movement on the left opposing the likes of China, Iran and Saudi Arabia for having truly appalling human rights records. It’s undeniable that the left channels far more of its energies into opposing America and Israel than anywhere else.
They don’t? Er what about France? Centre-left, if not Socialist French governments have in the past propped up dozens of African dictators for economic gain...And much of the left in France that supported Chirac’s opposition to the Iraq war did so because France reaped billions out of their special relationship with Saddam. What about Cuba? Pick up the Morning Star and there’s plenty defending Castro and arguing for closer ties with him.
The US doesn't approve of torture methods...Although I think Dershowitz might have a point on that one.
Well regardless of whether you like her or not as Secretary of State Britain has to work with her. But anyway she’s a Beatles fan for a start. She’s extremely intelligent, eloquent and capable, she has represented the US overseas well and were she to run for President she would stand up for similar values to Bush
you don't half chat some shit
This is why there is no real difference between the left and right in politics as far as I am concerned.
Funny thing is, klintock is about as far to the right as you can get, economically speaking.
Benevolent Regeimes like Castro's are extremley rare. Enjoy them whilst they are about.
Serious human rights violations took place in the context of the United Kingdom (UK) authorities’ response to the 11 September 2001 attacks in the USA.
Well we can all play that gamehttp://web.amnesty.org/report2003/Gbr-summary-eng
not that I'm supporting Castro, just pointing out that our government is pretty guilty too
not that I'm supporting Castro
AI would possibly disagree. http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/cub-summary-eng
As would Reporters sans frontiers - which puts Cuba 134th out of 139 (with only Bhutan, Turkmenistan, Burma, China and North Korea doing worse http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=4116
If you regard Cuba as benevolent I'd hate to see what your idea of despotic is...
I like how Iraq, Iran, Zimbabwae, Belarus, and so forth are ABOVE Cuba.
They can Disagree, but they cannot tell me that the Regeimes of Saddam, Mugaba, and the Ayatolla are BETTER to live in. I am pretty sure they are NOT. I would far rather live in Cuba and have a better life than many people in the USA of A, even if I am not allowed some freedoms - my healthcare system is far better, as are severall other things. And my economy still grows.
Castro is no saint. But he is far better than what Cuba had before, and is probably one of the better dictators. To be fair, he hasn't been that shitty to the majority of his people.
Illicit migration to the US - using homemade rafts, alien smugglers, air flights, or via the southwest border - is a continuing problem. The US Coast Guard intercepted 2,712 individuals attempting to cross the Straits of Florida in fiscal year 2005.
Now Mugabe isn't a saint - he harrasses opposition parties and certainly the elections weren't free and fair, but there remains a semi-independent judiciary which has criticised Mugabe and overuled his decisions, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4530866.stm . In fact despite the media reports as despots in Africa go Mugabe is one of the 'relatively' better ones, certainly compared to http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/country_profiles/1023151.stm or the rather charming http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/country_profiles/1054396.stm which only banned slavery in 1993.
Iran's elections, again, are far from perfect and all candidates are vetted to ensure that they have the correct islamic potential. But at least they have them and there is some control by the people over the Government.
Of course living in Cuba is fine if you agree with Castro, the same was true of living under Hitler (unless you disagreed with him or were Jewish). and in some things Cuba is doing well - but lets not pretend that Castro or his state are benevolent... Its just that certain people are willing to overlook his human rights record because he sticks one in the eye to the US.
And I'm not sure its a sign of good government that so many of your people are willing to risk death by sharks and drowning to leave your paradise...
That said there's always the risk of these discussions turning into 'Who's your favourite dictator?' instead of saying that all of the above were pretty bad and should be condemned.