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They haven't paid for it with their own money thogh, have they?
Everything the government does id paid for through violence, coercion and theft. If you work for it you are paid for by theft. All government workers are thieves.
Are consumers of public services also violent thieves?
So you think humanity without morals would be a better thing than the mish mash of morals we currently live with?
If everyone becomes [more] self interested, what happens to those who cannot fend for themselves?
Given that everyone says the exact same thing, and would be free to do whatever they want to I can only assume that "those less fortunate" would be fine.
Interesting, but maybe we don't trust ourselves to look after each other if we have the choice not to.
Before the NHS enforced healthcare to all (via theft, violence and coercion etc) do you reckon the provisions provided for the individuals willing to prioritise health were as good?
It's also interesting that every major religion extols the virtue to looking after those less fortunate, healing the sick, and respecting others.
If we have a naturally beneficent morality, why would those priorities need to be preached from every pulpit throughout the world?
Then a "democracy" has no business doing so.
Do you think if those who wiled the club hadn't caved into everyone's wishes in this way (which only entranches their power, I might add) do you really think that things would have stayed that way?
Where was the pressure for change coming from?
Surely the whole point of democracy is that people have a choice. People willingly choose to pay tax and to accept public services. Very few will decline medical treatment, or take their own rubbish to the landfill, or let their house burn down while the firemen sleep at the station.
Maybe the pressure was violence in the streets, theft and coercion caused by the social inequality of the time. How ironic.
Or, to put it another way, I pop around to your house and empty your trash, then put you in prison if you don't pay me whatever I feel like charging you.
Sorry mate, this is gibberish to me. Could you explain it a bit?
True, but most of us would regard the service as essentials, and best provided through central taxation.
I'd suggest that rubbsih collection is a natural monopoly and to have more than one firm seeking to collect from different houses on the same street doesn't seem like much of a choice either.
By choosing to take part in the democratic process, we choose to accept the style of government we have.
If there is violence and danger in the streets threatening your way of life
If there is theft of property from other individuals.
At that point we require not only security through public policing, but also social equality via public services.
or by using the full weight of the law to make me get a licence.
£135 MATE ...WASTE OPERATORS LICENSE ...AND IT LASTS THREE YEARS.
Annnd if you went into direct competition with the local council....how much would it cost you then?
I'll not mention all the permits, leases, environmental health, local taxes, IR etc stuff you need just to open the gates these days either. Oh fuck i just did......
My point wasn't that it was currently expensive, it was that you cannot provide alternative services to the government, they simply would not allow it. If you did the gravy train would crash.
They'll either licence you to death, bully, steal, undercut or just force buy whatever you set up against them.
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very few councils run the bins these days ...where i live and for large pars of north wales it is run by a spanish company. the local skip yards ..run by sita ...a spanish company. same in most of manchester and a lot of other places.
Our rubbish is being dealt with by Spaniards? That's weird.
your so out of touch with the modern world klint!
very few councils run the bins these days ...where i live and for large pars of north wales it is run by a spanish company.
the local skip yards ..run by sita ...a spanish company.
It can convince you that is what is happening and because you then believe it, you will act accordingly.
So why are you whining?
You don't believe in money, so the government aren't nicking anything of yours.
greedy cunts....this money should be going where its needed....a 45 grand a year pension is more than enough