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US launching huge air attacks in Iraq
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Largest air attack since the 2003 invasion. More as I get it. I'm going to say right now though, that using air power against insurgents is fucking stupid.
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As ever, the only approach the trigger happy Americans have for any problems is to drop bombs at will.
That's the only thing they mighty US military is ever good at.
More than 50 aircraft and 1,500 Iraqi and US troops have been deployed in the operation, according to a military statement.
The air assault is the biggest since the 2003 invasion, the military said.
A bomb attack on the al-Askari shrine in Samarra, 100km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, last month sparked widespread sectarian violence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4814094.stm
Theres no one to tell them to stop fighting, put the weapons down and sort things out from the inside. You've just got a hell of a lot of (rightly) pissed off people all spontaneously deciding to fight back.
You can't beat that with shiny expensive weapons, because rocks are free, rifles cost fuck all and shiny weapons like helicopters cost a fortune.
And this is worse than Vietnam because the US cannot leave. It will go bankrupt if it does. So it's going for the long term addicts death over cold turkey.
Poor bastards.
I don't know. I mean their troops are just being slaughtered on the ground by suicide attacks so why not use an advantage you have the enemy doesn't? The insurgents don't have air power, america has tons of it.
Careful planning, strategic targtting. You can get alot done.
Course no guarentee the americans will take this route..
bit hard to do now, the inurgency has taken hold. they were too soft after the initial conflict, let it grow and now its probably too much to stop now.
That would mean they had intelligence. So far, the insurgents are leading in that field. The ambushes and targeted assassinations of the past few months suggest that they have infiltrated the army and police far more than they have been infiltrated. Counter insurgency is about the worst war to fight. Typically you need troops equal to 10% of the population to be successful. Thats 2 million in other words. And US intelligence is a joke, as we all know.
If they could do it well, I'd wish them the best of luck. But on the face of it, that just wont happen.
Well it depends who runs the intelligence. If you have idiot, you get crap intelligence, if you have a good guy in charge, you get good intelligence, and if you have a guy in charge out for themsleves , then the only intelligence you get is what they want you to get.
The insurgents have gained ground in all their ambushes and assinations. I mean we are not privvy to covert operations and such so maybe the allies are gaining more success then we know but say they aren't, it certainly appears the troops are just patrolling around, waiting to be picked off.
They certainly need to deal with this infiltration of the police and army issue. I do wonder how bad it is and how much is just media scare mongering.
I say, if your fighting against anyone, insurgent, country or whatever, then use ythe advantages you have, so using air strikes is a good move but only if they are targetted properly of course.
Certainly not easy when the insurgents are hiding out in civilian areas.
They could have the deciancy to make a base in the desert or moutians somewhere.
Yep - a bomb that hits on target might result in a few less insurgents, but a bomb that misses is likely to result in a lot more people joining the insurgency - and I don't have much faith in the ability of people in B-52 bombers or whatever they're using to tell an insurgent from an innocent Iraqi going about his business.
Well yeah - but then they could also wear glow-in-the dark flourescent boiler suits, paint targets over their hearts and stand outside the nearest base carrying flashing signs saying "I am a guerrilla", and the result would be pretty similar - they'll take whatever cover they can get!
If Iraq was covered in jungle the way Vietnam was, I don't think the Americans would have invaded in the first place.
Lol Well they don't have to get too carried away. But some hidden bases in the moutains and or desert, get it fortified and such. Fight it out like in the olden days. Not this cowardly sucide bombing, hiding in churches and homes shit.
Well, it didn't work in 'Nam, Chechnaya, Afghanistahn both times by the Soviets or Yanks...
So it MUST work now, right?
Ah well. Let's all get ready for some Stinger Missile type fun, eh? WOO!
even their money is now owned by the ameircans.
Nah, cowardly is dropping big bombs from 30,000 feet... at least suicide or street combat requires courage!
Organise some. Politics should be a particpatory activity. If not you, who? In 1993 when the tory government were introducing the Criminal Justice Act (making squatting, living on the road etc illegal), I thought the same thing. Where are the protests? So I got off my arse and organised some. Got in contact with groups in London (I was living in Brum at the time), organised coaches to the big London demos, organised a protest squat, a flyposting campaign, info stalls in clubs and at parties, organised a protest march and rally in Brum etc. If there are no demos, the do it yourself. Its what politics should be about.
And that worked did it?
No, you let the "democratic process" render you totally frigging harmless.
Politics should be about everything but begging wankers for permission.
You're a fucking arsehole klintock with no real conception of the reality of people's lives. For all your exhortation for me to "get out there in the real world", its you that doesn't have any conception of the reality of life for the poor, dispossesed and marginalised. Its all a game to you. :mad:
By protesting you gave them legitimacy you pompous dickhead.
No.
Oh good lord no. I never respnd to them either. :rolleyes:
Yes mate.
You never have read any of my posts have you?
No.
Of course, they are policemen. What else do you expect?
The state does not exist any more than god does. The actions of it's believers have real consequences, but they are insane and evil, what else do you expect from the mad?
If you can't see that the important thing is to remove the belief to make it harmless (like you would if you were wishing to disable any cult such as the early church or modern Islam) your an idiot. If people have the belief they will only make another one if you disable the current system.
There is only one issue. Your hacking at the leaves, as the saying goes....
Read what you have written a few times slowly and then go for a think.
Ineffectual actions designed to make yourself better in the face of horror. Totally understandable, totally futile.
I have to smile at that.
I have to smile at that too.
Now I am grinning. If you had carried on you might have even made me laugh.
There aren't just the poor, the dispossesed and the marginalised. And those people can't do anything to change their situations (except through individual appilication ofc, which is always available) so all your efforts are aimed in totally the wrong direction.
lol.lol.lol.olol. nubs rofl.
TBH. Helicopter -vs- Man. It's not fair... until of course, they get a few stingers.
But let's face it... it was never a fair war, hence the guerilla action. It's the only warfare a bunch of Civilians can ever take on an Army with... Guerilla tactics.
No 30,000 feet bombing? Infact, no bombing at all? Ffs. I gotta stop watching the news. Heli's? Stinger and RPG time. What they need to do, is pull out, and concentrate on Afghanistah.
How about the whole criminal affair from Afghanistan to Iraq be forced by popular revolt into mainstream acknowledgement with the architects in Washington and London put in the public docket where they belong?
Oh and bring the troops home to the only soil they have any legitimate business being on in the first place.
Yeah, too much rationale to ask of our self-absorbed, attention-deficient, politically-complacent, morally-duplicitous, media-gulled publics for a change.
eh??? No it isn't. Its using what you have. The americans have it and use it, using air power is fair. Its one of the basics of war, attack by air. It would stupid not ot. Its like going out to fight with spears when you have guns in your poession.
Hardly cowardly either as they are risking surface to air missles, rocket launcers and such, and if you get brought down in one of them things, there isn't that much chance of survivng I would think.
Street combat?? What, hiding out in a church knowing they either have to wreck the church and so offend millions of the inhabitants, or let them stay which is laughing in the face of the allies and putt lives at risk. Its not like WW2 when the Allies fought for Berlin, street by street.
Suicide bombings don't require that much courage. Stapping up and dying in a second, half or more then half of those guys went after civilan targets dleiberately. Whats so brave about that?? Deson't require any skil either. Starp up, walk carefuly then pressh a button and boom.
Nothing compared with flying a combat chooper.
I think the insurgents, for the most part, are an evil bunch of bastards, the al-Qaeda affiliated ones anyway, but nobody can deny that they're pretty brave - people fighting for their country tend to be very motivated, after all.