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if i want to get on my soapbox it's about this
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In a ten year drug career that is now coming to a close this is what i have learned..
They can be fun.
They can be painfull.
They are not "real". If you start to incombasses them into your reallity, then you are in trouble.
They are not to be trusted or relied upon.
They broaden you horizon's.
They change you as a person. How much, depends on how much you do, and for how long.
You can not predict who will take them or how it will effect them.
Heroin is the worst.
Allcohol can be pretty bad to.
Cannabis should be legalised.
Everyone should dabble once.
Except in heroin.
Allways use them to inhance and never suppress feelings.
Take only the good of what they give you and keep respect for the bad that can happen.
<IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> Now i don't know if anyone finds that helpfull. You probably knew most of that anyway. But tonight i needed to feel like i'd learnt something. Because i wanted to see if i had been taught something valuble.
So good luck if you just started an apprentiship, or if you are now managing director my advice is retire early, while you still have a fat pension to look forward to.
Right or wrong, that,s the crack as i see it.
They can be fun.
They can be painfull.
They are not "real". If you start to incombasses them into your reallity, then you are in trouble.
They are not to be trusted or relied upon.
They broaden you horizon's.
They change you as a person. How much, depends on how much you do, and for how long.
You can not predict who will take them or how it will effect them.
Heroin is the worst.
Allcohol can be pretty bad to.
Cannabis should be legalised.
Everyone should dabble once.
Except in heroin.
Allways use them to inhance and never suppress feelings.
Take only the good of what they give you and keep respect for the bad that can happen.
<IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> Now i don't know if anyone finds that helpfull. You probably knew most of that anyway. But tonight i needed to feel like i'd learnt something. Because i wanted to see if i had been taught something valuble.
So good luck if you just started an apprentiship, or if you are now managing director my advice is retire early, while you still have a fat pension to look forward to.
Right or wrong, that,s the crack as i see it.
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heroin is fairly harmless.
Haven't took heroin so can't say anything in relation to that but the rest seems fairly accurate.
That was probably the tenth time i'd "Quit" doing stuff. I never did heroin or crack more than once or twice. But i did drink,smoke,take pills, sniff whizz & coke etc.
After i wrote that piece above i stopped for a while. Cut down on a few things and started leading a more respectable life. Until i got board. So i started up again. I was soon back to smoking an eigth a day and partying hard a weekends.
I thought about stoping then. But i didn't. I met this guy in a bar one night and we had a chat. He said something that i knew made sense but for some reason couldn't do it right at that moment. He said
"It's not now that caining it will effect you it will be later. When you want to chill and do normal stuff. Thats when you'll realize".
I knew he was right. Because i had allready felt some of the warning signs. I had also seen them in other people.
Still i thought fuck it! So carried on some more. Went to ibiza, gran caneria, all the top clubs in the uk. Then all of a sudden come downs started lasting for days. Weed started making me really paronoid. I would nip out of work at lunch to the pub because it was all getting too stressful. I would do the same after, followed by a few spliffs. Nothing heavy just a few beers and spliffs.
Then boom, i was two grand in debt. My girlfriend wanted me to stay home more and relax. After all i was now a twenty five year old lecturer. So i stopped pills and coke for good. Eventually had to stop drinking as well because i subsituted for that at weekends. This made me violent and even more broke.
Eventually i only had the smoke left. But all it did now was make me really paronoid all the time and make me feel really bad about myself. So i stopped.
Thats when it got really hard. I went into a depression that lasted for about a year. Waking up every morning just wanting to lie there. Not leave the house. Feeling like everything is pointless. Eventually i had to go see a theropist. I couldn't handle anyone anymore.
It took six months of hard work reprograming my head to get better. By the skin of my teeth i made it back. Now i'm doing well for myself and i'm a twenty eight year old batchalor with a good job. One thing though, i now have to learn to go out and socialise, chat to girls, have a good time without taking any sort of drug. This doesn't bother me anymore though it's actually quite fun.
The guy told me that night in the pub and i didn't listen. I'm sure if i'd have stopped then i would have got away lightly. But i didn't so instead i got- depression, paranoia, grinded teeth, loads of fucked up relatationships, and a bunch of twisted memorys that all seem to mean very little all of sudden.
When that moment happens to you it's like that bit in sixth sense. It's like "what! Oh shit!"
I'm not going to tell anyone what to do. I just wanted to tell my story. It's a similar story that i was told at school, by other people who didn't do drugs and by drugies themselves. I used to laugh and disagree. Want everything to be legalized. Not any more. Story's like mine are about for a reason. It's the truth of what happens. Just ask me or any of the fifteen or so people i used to go clubbing with.
So if you on that tip the best of luck to ya. Enjoy it while you can. I really honestly hope you are not left with the story i am.
One love! x
Nothing wrong with drug taking-quite fun if you know how to do it properly. Going out every weekend drinking, taking 10+ pills, sniffing speed, coke, smoking blow like fuck isn't good in the long run. Fucks up the body and mind. Saying that, I did it myself and I had a class time
mostly had a great time.
weed and booze are my pleasures now ...and very pleasurable they are too.
i'm fit active and happy.
haven't used the needle and the spoon since 1986.
i believe in legalisation of as many things as possible ...being illegal didn't stop you screwing up.
How about a 20th Anniversary hit for old times sake!
or
"i'm fit active"
or do these things come together mr guru?
I seem to remember you sending me a private message a few years back telling me how heroin fucked all of your stuff up and your relationship. I'm sure i've got it somewhere.
So hows about being a bit more responsible and using your 30,000 posts to the young people on this site to tell the truth?
All the best
mostly ...notice the word mostly ..mostly enjoyed.
yes heroin fucked me over eventualy ...amphetamine also.
but not for long.
so your point is ...
However, saying "Mostly enjoyed" after writing a sentence about putting needles in your arm can be confusing for some. You know as well as i do that certain people look up to the old hands like yourself. So personally i would be stressing the negatives not the positives.
I don't want to get into to it with you, you're entitled to your opinion.
i have never encouraged anyone to do the same ...in fact quite the opposite.
i'm not sure what the problem is here.
would you prefer i lie and say it was all a horrible nightmare?
as a thread unfolds ...as more people make comments ...i give out more information ...the normal kind of thing you know.
are you trying to tell me that what i have said in this thread would encourage someone in here to start banging heroin up their arms ...maybe someone who has never been here before ...like ...'hey theres a guy on here said shooting heroin is great ...lets go get some' ...?
i could of course be totaly irresponsible and trot out the usual waste of time bollox such as ...just say no kids!
as if that ever worked aye.
most people actualy use illegals for pleasure ...cos they are pleasurable yes?
and only around ten percent of all users go on to have any kind of serious problem ...or is that to honest?
They can be fun.
They broaden you horizon's.
Heroin is the worst.
Cannabis should be legalised.
Everyone should dabble once.
Except in heroin.
Allways use them to inhance and never suppress feelings.
Take only the good of what they give you and keep respect for the bad that can happen.
just to remind you of the positives as opposed to the negatives ...that you posted.
and on what basis do yo8u say that heroin is the worst ...the worst in what way?
"People go to illegals because they are pleasureable yes" - Actually no. Your wrong. They GIVE THE IMPRESSION of pleasure. Thats different. They change to the reponses in your brain. Thats not pleasure. You name me any drug and i will tell you what the reality is. For example alchohol. You think you are the most interesting person in the world when you are pissed but to someone who's sober you are repeating yourself and standing to close, etc
I now see no positives from drug taking because any fun i had was an illisuion of fun. Not actually real fun. In reality. If i had fun, more often than not it was down to the people or the place not the drugs. If heroin was fun, why stop? Surely if illegals were fun if you took loads of them, you would be really happy? Or would be fucked?
No i am not saying your words in this thread would cause someone to start using herion. I'm just saying that starting a thread
"if you could put it in a vein ...to the pleasure centres of the brain ...i did. mostly had a great time."
instead of the truth.
"If you put it in a vein...to the pleasure centres of the brain...i did. It was so powerful it convinced me i was having a good time. When in reality i was about to mess myself up"
Then it's irresponsible.
Almost as irresponsible as blasting out "Ten percent of users..." who's stats are they? are there herion addicts on every street corner filling out surveys and texting into to polls? Are you seriously trying to suggest to me that 90% of herion users have no serious problem? How many addicts do you know have had no serious problem with the law, mental health, other addictions, and in their inter-personal relationships? In fifteen years of being around i've known one. Even they caused their mum to have a nervous breakdown.
your 10% of users bullshit is the kind of folk law people who are taking it say to justify it.
It's almost as bad as me saying in my first post "Drug broaden your horizons" In some ways yes they do. But not as much as getting a good education, traveling round the world, doing something you are interested in, and having lots of different experences in REALITY.
The reason i didn't see that at the time is because i was too fucked on drugs!
IN MY opinion the reason herion is the worst is because it's so strong it makes other drugs seem exceptable.
Or should we legalize it? That way we can have people chasing dragon at breaktimes instead of spliffs and fags?
Hey you like statistics so much, go and look at the ones for crime rates in Brixton and Amsterdam. Too areas of tolerence.
Better still go and knock around there. Because aparently 90% of the people who are there involved with hard drugs don't have any serious problem.
I didn't want to preech. Well done, keep it clean, do what you want to do. I'm off for good now.
Peace
2002 thats when you gave me a PM. I just found it.
I want to thank you for it. You probably don't remember. But i'll thank you for it anyway.You gave some good advice.
I'm not getting at you i just have very strong feelings on the subject.
and i haven't sent this to stop you taking issue with anything i've said above either.
I know your not promoting smack.
Later
you have what i see as a classic victim status from your drug taking and maybe thats justified i don't know, but carrying the victim status around with you to long seems very negative to me.
alcohol and just about every other mood altering substance i cn think of can be very very pleasurable ...thats why people enjoy them but ...enjoying alcohol and being completely pissed are not the same.
ypou seem to be making a classic mistake that seems to be becoming more common ...that pleasure and fun equal happiness ...they don't.
most proffesionals i believe will agree with me that only 10% of those using illegal substances will go on to have any major or long term problems.
crime? that in my opinion is because these substances are illegal.
not quite sure why your bringing amsterdam into this ...since they adopted a relaxed approach heroin use has plummeted. your average heroin user in holland is in the forty plus age group ...meaning less and less young people have been sucked into using it ...compare that with the uk.
i'm a bit confused about the heroin thing ...its affects can't realy be compared with weed or stimulants or alcohol or much else.
i do hope you fully recover ...or have done.
What's the difference, the brain thinks its real, the neurons are firing just the same, it is the same, just a different reason for it. Our only perception is in the brain, and to the brain its real, therefore its real.
Holland actually has a much lower murder rate than we have and lower crime rates. The reason that Amsterdam has some problems is because of drug tourism, something which I think they should stop. Thats not a fault of drugs per say, but of how they are regulated.
Firtly,No. It's not the same. Thats why drugs have after effects. Such as comedowns, hangovers etc. Also "Neurons firing" as you put it, is not happening in the same way at all. Mainly because they are reacting to artificial stimuli. Why do you think people get addicted or mentally addicted to drugs? Do people get addicted to good moods?
Secondly, I was not talking about Holland, i was talking about Amsterdam. Since you brought Holland up, as a country as a whole yes it does have lower murder and crime rates. But not because of drug tolerence. It's because there are less people there. Also they record and define "Crime" differently in their statistics.
Amsterdam, which is what i was talking about, has a whole bunch of major problems. In part, due to drug tourisim but mainly due to the fact it's controled by major criminal organisations. Such as the Russian mafia etc. There are also many more hard drug users there than there are in the rest of Holland. This is mainly due to the tolerence of softer drugs. This causes harder drugs to be more avalible and easier to be moved around.
Thirdly, Please guys, stop throwing random, unsupported statements into the air such as "profesionals agree with me" or "neurons are firing just the same". It makes you look silly or like you are making it up.
Peace
It is a stimulus, same as anything else, its just more effective. While you are on the drug that is reality to the brain, and when it wears off then reality to the brain changes.
What is the difference?
And yes, I'd agree, Amsterdam does have problems, but as I said, they are largely because of the way the drugs are regulated not because of the drugs per say. If cannabis was legal there then that would cut the links between crime and the soft drug trade.
If heroin was available on script that would massively cut down on the trade in that.
It is the current 'solution' to the drug problem which is causing the problems.