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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DEANO MAC wrote:
    "tithe"?....its either a typo,or its illegal......now which is it???....i think it involves money,in which case you can bollocks!
    you give clan a tenth of your income.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    No you haven't. You've supplied quotes from conspiracy sites. You have no idea who these supposed "engineers" and "pilots" are.
    you prefer to get your info from known liars ...respectable liars of course.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    No point in reading if you don't also think.
    i never thought of that!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you prefer to get your info from known liars ...respectable liars of course.

    You haven't even seen me post any info on here.

    at

    straws

    grasping




    My view is about what is more likely - a vast conspiracy involving remote control 767's or some religous nutters. We know the latter exists and the former is very unlikely. You work it out.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You haven't even seen me post any info on here.

    at

    straws

    grasping




    My view is about what is more likely - a vast conspiracy involving remote control 767's or some religous nutters. We know the latter exists and the former is very unlikely. You work it out.
    your a sad case blag.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta knows because he believes what the tv tells him is behind it all. Simple as.

    The mark of a truly critical and informed mind, indeed. :rolleyes:
    You haven't even seen me post any info on here.

    There you have it folks, straight from the horse's a.. err mouth.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good response mr, as usual. You really do have trouble thinking don't you? A good advert for not using too many drugs I think.

    I'd prefer to listen to someone like Chomsky (duh, who he? thinks mr) than some random nutter like Joe Viallis on this.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i have to dash but ...it would be nice to get back home and find a sensible ...well thought out explanation for building seven blag ...go on ...you know you want to be right.
    bye ...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ive no aspirations to godhood, thanks.

    Seems like delusions of grandeur to me – you think everybody else is some kind of brainwashed zombie sleepwalking through life, whereas if only they had the daring vision of brave truth-seekers like yourself their little worlds would come crashing down around their ears.

    Believing everything you read on the internet is as bad as believing everything you read in the mainstream media.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No delusions of grandeur whatsoever VR, perhaps you should learn to read a bit more carefully before resorting to blagsta-styled retorts.

    And its fairly widely recognised that the general public by and large is demonstrably mentally complacent, believing whatever they are told by authority figures. Such is the dynamic of "manufactured consent".

    For the record I do not believe everything I read on the internet, only that which is both evidentially and logically consistent.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i have to dash but ...it would be nice to get back home and find a sensible ...well thought out explanation for building seven blag ...go on ...you know you want to be right.
    bye ...

    I don't know, like you, I'm not a structural engineer. However 2 big jet airliners laden with fuel crashed into 2 of the biggest skyscapers in the world which then collapsed into the ground which had a network of subway and other tunnels underneath. It wouldn't surprise me if that had something to do with destabilising other buildings. Its a lot more likely than remote controlled planes thats for sure.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As for remote aerospace command and control technology, again youll find that such technology is well in use in other military aircraft. Given the plausible switch of planes for drones used in the multiple concurrent aerial drills, the necessity for aircraft of a rough scale to a 757 only need be substituted. Conflicting testimony on the day itself had quite a few saying the aircraft they saw slam into the buildings were not passenger craft at all.

    Bait and switch.


    I spent years working in an airport and a lot of my working day there was spent waiting in transports on the tarmac for the plane I was meant to meet to come in and land. Because of doing that I can differentiate 767s and 757s from other types of aircraft at a glance from miles away and the planes that hit the WTC definitely weren’t military aircraft or drones, they were Boeing aircraft.

    Moving down the size scale from the imaginary drone aircraft that you believe hit the WTC, what’s the next biggest drone aircraft in operation?

    I’m not surprised there were all kinds of conflicting reports from eyewitnesses on the ground – what do you expect in that kind of situation? Do you think the videotape and photographs that exist of the event were faked?

    This man seems to think it wouldn’t have been that difficult for someone trained on a Cessna and a simulator - http://www.airsafe.com/journal/v1num16.htm

    He is, of course, just another random person on the Internet but he seems to have a vague idea what he is talking about, and airsafe.com doesn’t immediately appear to be a front for the military/industrial complex.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No they weren't UAV's that is obvious. Nevertheless computer based remote command and control technology has existed in military aeronautic applications since the late 70's, my friend. When i applied the term drone, it was in the generic sense of a plane whose telemetry and navigation systems have been commandeered by a remote computer operator.

    As for the visual record of the planes striking the towers, I'm sorry, but however much you or I may be capable of confirming the class of an aircraft in close proximity ground conditions, the video footage on 911 of the highspeed collision have not to date been sufficiently clarified to confirm or deny them as the alleged commercial flights in question. Again, eyewitness testimony on the ground prior to the hit even had one field reporter exclaiming that it was a cargo plane of smaller scale than a 757 (i.e. potentially a 737) that was coming in over the immediately outlying burough.

    As for your linked pilot's opinion, he even makes the disclaimer that he has limited experience and at no time acknowledges that the flight maneuvres made by the alleged strike pilots at high speed were not "routine" or "normal" flying conditions, but quite complex and difficult manuevres indicative of military flying skill (this has been acknowledged by post 911 military witness testimonies which you will find readily enough in the 911 research.

    You want to dismiss the roster of well researched and evidentiary supported inconsistencies in the official conspiracy theory and believe in the the inflated myth of the shadowy boogeymen out to get us all, fine. But you havent debunked the logical plausibility of anything provided in this thread, so dont pretend you have.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would like to believe that the US Government was behind the events of 9/11 as that would bring it crashing it to its knees when the truth came out and I would find the sight of George Bush being summarily executed on the White House lawn by his outraged countrymen a pleasing one - however, I find it completely impossible to believe as all the conspiracy theories consist of little more than wild assertions with nothing substantial to back them up.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    scholars for 9/11 isn't exactly what i'd call your average conspiracy site.
    more a growing community of intelectuals and specialists searching for the truth.
    how anyone who can watch three buildings come down in precise demolition fashion ...three ...and not accept that these were controlled explosions is beyond me. it is also beyond an ever growing number of people who have read the endless lies from the official commision ...lie after lie being exposed.

    take building seven ...in the official report the government response was ...well we just don't know what happened there ...
    then the landlord lets slip in a tv interview ...the order to pull it was given.
    to pull it means bring it down.
    have you any idea how long it would take to wire a fifty storey building to bring it down like that?
    get the architects blueprints ...order the explosives ...deliver them ...organise a company who know what they are doing ...
    thats what defies belief.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You still can't tell me who these "intellectuals" are. :rolleyes:























    BTW morrocan roll, did you know they've taken the word "gullible" out of the dictionary?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    third link down on the left ...forty minute video.
    did they use explosives.
    long but gets better as it rolls.
    http://st911.org/
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:





















    BTW morrocan roll, did you know they've taken the word "gullible" out of the dictionary?
    so old.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Which is precisely what the "official" farce of a story has, zero credible evidence ever put forth. Oh its had the all the necessary repeated assertions, which the 911Truth research has, quite factually, debunked. However, with mainstream press and media assistance in promoting the parade of authority figures all reciting the same mantra whilst burying any revelatory material of disprovals of official claims, the preplanned paradigm has become an unquestioned and unshakable filter for all subsequent events across the globe for the vast majority.

    Since most are conditioned to defer to official pronouncements, most notably where fear of threat is involved, most have also refused to undertake the time consuming legwork to read through the documented research to see just how absurd the official tale really is.

    That said, it is a far cry from presenting demonstrable indication of official collusion/orchestration of 911 by select individuals within the power structure to securing the unhindered full public judicial enquiry necessary for 1: securing the remaining data locked away and incriminatingly classified by the administration and 2: (more importantly) toppling not only the administration but the entire paradigm around which the subsequent global security/defence industry has flourished.

    If that evidence confirmed the official assertions they would have rolled it out in spades to end all need for independent research into the matter.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You still can't tell me who these "intellectuals" are. :rolleyes:























    BTW morrocan roll, did you know they've taken the word "gullible" out of the dictionary?
    blagsta ...why are you still here?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    blagsta ...why are you still here?

    Very interesting thing, is Mr. Blagsta.

    It's quite uncommon for an "anarchist" to put the official versions of things forward as gospel and advocate only official solutions to things such as union membership, isn't it?

    Even more so that he never takes a position of his own and only seeks to discredit others, especially those with alternative views. Another odd thing for an "anarchist" to be doing.

    In short, he doesn't half defend the status quo for someone who claims to despise it. Perhaps you find this as amusing and curious as I do......
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Very interesting thing, is Mr. Blagsta.


    Even more so that he never takes a position of his own
    ......
    this bit has come up many times ...i asked him why he is so insecure but just got the usual abuse.
    some anarchist aye ...
    i think hes a lib dem.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I take a position of my own all the time. You lot conveniently ignore it. My position on 9/11 has been stated many times before if you care to look. I just find it amusing to see what nonsense you loonspuds will come out with next. :D
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh yeah - I've never stated that I believe the "official" line completely either so quit wilfully misrepresenting me. Do a search if you want to see what my position is, I've stated it enough times.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Oh yeah - I've never stated that I believe the "official" line completely either so quit wilfully misrepresenting me. Do a search if you want to see what my position is, I've stated it enough times.
    whats your position on building seven and the official line ...well two official lines?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not stating it again. Its all here if you want to look.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I'm not stating it again. Its all here if you want to look.
    :lol::lol: :









    :banghead:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Your perogative if you want to be lazy and look like a twat.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Your perogative if you want to be lazy and look like a twat.
    your an idiot. you sound more and more like lukesh by the day!
    i've looked and found nothing.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You haven't looked at all have you? There's at least one post in this very thread.
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