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on the topic of overfishing
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it appears good old new zealand has banned all trawl fishing on a 1/3 of their waters
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4735474.stm
if only the EU would do the same
by the way trawl fishing is draggings nets along the sea floor picking up everything including cold water coral and fish you dont even want, and its completly dispicable
oh and a picture for you for whats being banned
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4735474.stm
if only the EU would do the same
by the way trawl fishing is draggings nets along the sea floor picking up everything including cold water coral and fish you dont even want, and its completly dispicable
oh and a picture for you for whats being banned
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And it would be sure nice if EU would follow and everyone else too.
Hopefully others will follow their example, but I won't hold my breath.
But if it does you can be assured that cries of "bloody EU telling us what we can or cannot do and destroying or livelihoods" will be heard aplenty from the usual suspects... :rolleyes:
Britain doesnt have a fishing fleet left ot be affected very much. It is mostly high water fishing. The fish we get in this country is mostly fished by the Spanish Fishing fleet as they now have been granted domination over what was British fishing waters. But that is all old news.
we do trawler fishing also, there is virtually no cold water coral left in the north sea these days
and an EU wide ban would improve matters greatly
and high water fishing is mainly responsible for the near extinction of cod etc in the north sea as it stands, trawler fishing is mainly resposnsible for sheer seabed destruction
we should really ban all commercial fishing in some parts of the north sea and atlantic, to allow fish to recover, and it only worked out to 10% of EU water needing a complete ban on fishing, yet for some stupid reason we and the spanish blocked it for economic reasons, when there will be no fish left if we carry no as we are
And incredibly, you still got people up and down the country (as well as the unspeakable Tories) crying to the heavens about ''interfering EU'' and ''the jobs and livelihoods of fishermen up and down the land threatened by Evil Europe.''
Of course the contrary is true. If it weren't for the EU there would be no cod left to fish very soon, and no livelihood for fishermen present or future.
erm they'll be out of work if they keep fishing as much as they are at the moment :banghead:
they've been told year after year they need to stop fishing as much, and instead of getting more per fish they catch they just catch more fish and lower the price
and there's such a thing as training, and sadly i think the whole ocean food chain being able to suppost life for as long as possible is more important than a 'few' fishing towns having jobs for a few years then going out of business when theres no fish left in the north sea
the current EU quotas are still to many fish, as there is barely enough cod to replenish the stocks by natural means as it is, what's needed is a ban on fishing in a tenth to a third of EU waters, so the fish actually get a chance to reproduce
One of the biggest problems with fishing (and specifically trawler nets) is the bycatch, which is comprised of fish that we cannot sell, is not needed and is then chucked back into the water, dead.
There was an attempt to provide and alternative to cod in the USA, it is practically the same but had a funny name, and people there won't buy it.
No links I'm afraid to back this up, it's just what I remember from my course.
yeh i know, but our fishing methods as a whole are killing the oceans as a whole
the EU quotas as a whole need to be cut
So...if your saying what it sounds like, there is nothing for the thousands of fishermen, fish processors, fish monitors or fish traders to hope for except to be unemployed? Better unemployed now then unemployed later i suppose is the consolation here!
Ok, so fishing stops, but if you think it is only "a few" fishing towns, then you clearly do not know very much about the entire fishing industry as a whole, such as how many people are involved in the industry, what various jobs are involved and so forth. Really, some sort of compensation should be available as well as retraining of these people for other jobs where needed really.
you really underestimate the problem here
this is a case of mass ocean extinction :banghead:
and anyway less fish being caught doesnt mean the end of business anyway, it just puts the price of fish up to what it really should be, and not the price it is at the moment which is the result of VERY heavy overfishing
I know, I was making another point, not trying to contradict yours
Fish prices are already higher then ever on the trading side of the industry. These prices are resulting in the smallest profits EVER made by a fish trader. I know this because my family are 4th generation fish traders and have neve rmade such little money in all that time. Neither has any other fish trader. Supermarkets are the only people selling cheap fish! You see they buy in bulk numbers and throw away 80% of fish regardless of its condition, thus driving up fishing numbers and allowing them to lower prices.
The only reason fish is cheap is because the privces are based on cross-sections dominated by supermarkets responsible for increased fishing in the oceans.
If you would stop banging your head on the wall and actually pay attention to what i am saying, you would understand that the industry is about to die off and the only thng keeping the thousands of people in work is the system. Which is why i am saying there needs to be some subsidies for the fish industry employees who will have to lose their jobs, and some sort of re-training scheme.
I understand your point on ocean extinction, but unless the supermarket fish demands are not curbed along with the regular hardworking everyday fisherman, then the oceans will be dead anyway. If you do not believe me, do some research into the Supermarket fish trade and see for yourself the numbers involved.
i agree in training people
and i also think supermarkets are one of the main causes of the reduction in food quality in the past few years mainly due to their constant lowering of profit margins by squeezing suppliers more than suppliers than can actually afford
but in trms of fishing for the sake of fishing, it needs to be cut no matter what or there will be no fish left, which isnt just bad for fisheries etc but for the whole marine ecosystem
Roll, do you come from a mining community? If so, i am sure you will be concerned by that more then the Fishing Industry, which is the opposite for me.
Also, interesting fact about the miners, everyone blames the Conservative Government for shutting it down. But the Labour Government of Wilson shut down over 100 pits and Blair's New Labour government shut down the largest pit n the country. The Conservatives are given sole blame purely because of the fight with the Union, rather then actual action. Blame should be given out as it is deserved.
i was pointing out ...industries die ...no one gets training ...they are left to fend for themselves.
the fishing industry should be halved as hard as it might be short term.
without a living ocean ...we can't have a living earth ...simple as.
Maybe there won't be any training, but they should at least step in to keep the Industry alive. It is only Britain that lets all its industries die with out a fight.
And America.
then forrestry jobs would have to go ...or we just carry on hacking down till theres nowt left to cut down ...no forrestry industry.
it may well have been a bad comparrison thpough.
if your family are part of this industry then it's understanavble why you want it to last ....how long though?