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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    JamesZero wrote:
    Not worth it...

    It does work, but the ones you can buy off the net are only about 5-10 years old... the amount you would need to eat for a decent trip would make you sick!!
    I heard they need to be about 20 years old and quite big...

    If you need a trip... grow some mushrooms! Its pretty easy! :thumb:

    after reading around im a bit interested (peruvian torch seems like the better idea)

    anyone got any first hand expierence ?

    couldnt be arsed with going to the bother of growing mushrooms for the time being anyway
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've never taken it but people i know have z01, they said it was pretty good after the sickness subsided so i'd say go for it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    was it the dried stuff they took ? how much ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it was dried and not sure how much they are, sorry mate.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've done it. It was a while ago, i forget how much i took..
    It was interesting to say the least
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wouldnt say they are safer than MDMA, they are a total unknown, they are a mix of BZP and similar drugs, oddly related to viagra as it happens.

    Its legal, I think thats about the only thing to recommend it, the possible health concerns are totally unknown and could be nasty. No one knows how safe it is to mix with alcohol or anything really.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I just found a pep pill lying about.

    Piperine and Piperazine blend are listed as ingredients?

    Someone gave a couple for free as i was dubious over his recommendation.

    I could take them and report back but i just can't bring myself to take something legal as i'm concerned it'll just fuck up my night with a shitty buzz.
  • JadedJaded Posts: 2,682 Boards Guru
    Erowid have a vault on Piperazine if you want some more information, and there are several threads on PEP pills that you can find if you do a search.

    Piperazine is a controlled substance in the US, and possibly Australia, and from memory they were looking into restricting its use in the UK too.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yet strangely its legal and has been for a while in NZ, they deemed it to have low risk and that it was good to stop people using MDMA.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    a friggin' waste of a stimulant though :yuck:


    BTW, Salvia Divinorum is fucking insane. It's def the way to go for a legal trip. The reason people bitch about it not working is because they don't know how to smoke it. You must use a buetane torch lighter, the active chemicals don't vaporize well with a standard bic lighter, and you must hold it for 30+ seconds.

    Once you achieve your first "breakthrough", tolerance subsides also.

    That said, i think it's about as shit as they come. A few minutes of disconnection and inability to grasp what's going on and that's about all i've experienced (except feeling weird afterwards).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ^ WHAT?! You're clearly not smoking enough.
    I was out of it for what seemed like days. though in reality prob under 15 minuntes. for me, it was very enlightening. i dont mean to sound bullshity, haha if thats a word, but it made me think about things differently, and things i wouldntve even thought about. I wouldn't recomend it for raves or whatever. But for sitting and thinking, it was insane.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ^ WHAT?! You're clearly not smoking enough.
    I was out of it for what seemed like days. though in reality prob under 15 minuntes. for me, it was very enlightening. i dont mean to sound bullshity, haha if thats a word, but it made me think about things differently, and things i wouldntve even thought about. I wouldn't recomend it for raves or whatever. But for sitting and thinking, it was insane.

    I've taken more than enough of the stuff twice. Total headfuck and inability to think properly was all i experienced...i'd say it lasted no more than a few minutes, followed a period of feeling physically unpleasant.

    Too overpowering and weird to engage me like other drugs.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    I've taken more than enough of the stuff twice. Total headfuck and inability to think properly was all i experienced...i'd say it lasted no more than a few minutes, followed a period of feeling physically unpleasant.

    Too overpowering and weird to engage me like other drugs.

    To gain the full hallucinogenic expereince many people think you should do it in the dark and total quiet.

    I know people who have had full out of body trips with it, but to me the physical rush was scary and the whole experience nightmarish.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i didn't like it too much either .. gave me some weird itchy feelin in my shoulders anytime i tried it .. strange

    i usually end up spinning in circles and laughing

    it seems to affect different people in different ways, but i never found the effects all that desireable
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've tried salvia a few times now but the last time i took it got brilliant effects although i was drunk i lost complete use of my legs and couldn't string a sentence together and everything seemed distant.

    Wierd but not only something for special occasions, i don't really see the attraction to it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well if you know anything about the history of E you'll know that it origionally started in the gay house clubs, when it comes to new drugs, homosexsuals seem to be ahead of the game.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jinx wrote:
    Well if you know anything about the history of E you'll know that it origionally started in the gay house clubs, when it comes to new drugs, homosexsuals seem to be ahead of the game.

    Well, sort of, but it was used before then, that was just the time it came together with music, lights etc. in the club enviroment.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jinx wrote:
    Well if you know anything about the history of E you'll know that it origionally started in the gay house clubs, when it comes to new drugs, homosexsuals seem to be ahead of the game.

    That's pretty misleading.

    A lot of gays are into drugs because, feeling marginalised by society, they are keen on alternative culture.

    Doesn't mean they have pioneered the nation's drug habits though.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pep pills

    pep pills are a synthetic man made drug,no caffine,they contain bzp,tfmpp,vitamins,5htp.the first parts release seretonin,the last feed the boby and enable the brain to manufacture more seretonin.not totally healthy as sleep is also needed to repaire ourselves,but they have been designed for the purpose of drug harm minimulisation.ie you take a regulated pill that works on a weekend and get of illegal potentially non known street drugs.without the possible depression or mid week blues.they also break the cycle or extacy dependance.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The first album to be recorded influenced by MDMA was The The - Soul Mining.
    Apparently.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hardon wrote:
    but they have been designed for the purpose of drug harm minimulisation

    No they haven't. They're to make money.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    blag....

    you might be right blaga,but i do think that these pep pills are well put together
    and are a knew bread of recreational drugs,that can only chalenge our outdated drug laws.what does any one think?
  • SkiveSkive Posts: 15,282 Skive's The Limit
    There are a few leagl highs that have a proper effect but of all of them the only ones I found worth doing are NO2 and Fly's.
    Weekender Offender 
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hardon wrote:
    pep pills are a synthetic man made drug,no caffine,they contain bzp,tfmpp,vitamins,5htp.the first parts release seretonin,the last feed the boby and enable the brain to manufacture more seretonin.not totally healthy as sleep is also needed to repaire ourselves,but they have been designed for the purpose of drug harm minimulisation.ie you take a regulated pill that works on a weekend and get of illegal potentially non known street drugs.without the possible depression or mid week blues.they also break the cycle or extacy dependance.

    I find that explanation somewhat suspect, 5HTP doesn't either help release more seritonin or help the body manufactor more.

    And as Blagsta said, they are not designed with harm minimisation in mind, they are a profit making venture. Frankly I think they could be more dangerous than MDMA, at least with MDMA we roughly know how its working, what harm it does and how to prevent most of it. With these the long term risks are totally unknown, how they mix with other drugs is totally unknown, I know I wouldnt take them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Pep Love

    took PEP love pills last night at a good dance club. For the first three house i felt really really slow and kindof spaced out and a little paranoid. After the slow period it made me really chatty! I wanted to talk to loads of people but i was abit scared to, i just spoke alot of shit to my friends... Later i got bored and decided to get pissed and these pills really speeded things up. 4 pints later and i was wankered! Found that i had a birst of energy where i wanted to dance for half an hour then about 20 minutes where i was bored and out of energy. Got back to the flat and talked shit about half an hour and then went to bed. got a really good nights sleep but today i'm feeling really drained and not wanting to do anything that involves moving!

    still i had a proper good night... cant remeber alot of it but i was quite drunk. dry mouth is seriously bad. i drank at least 10-12 pints of water and my tongue is still hurting now. Definately bit it abit round the edges.

    MDMA is alot better:
    visual things are prettier :shocking:
    better connection with friends and random people :love:
    dancing feels alot nicer :yippe:
    can stay up all night :razz:
    touch feels alot nicer :chin:
    tolerance for fucked people is alot better :eek:
    music sounds alot better :thumb:
    happy effect is alot better :lol:
    head fuck (ie thinking you're waiting for a bus in the club) is better :crazyeyes

    basically pep's simply arent as good.... the hangover wasnt as bad as a comdown from E but it was different, more mongey and tired than E's emptyness and irritability. I'll have to try them sober some time but they seem quite mild. My friend took them after tea and didnt feel anything at all (apart from talking to loads of people for ages about shit) but i didnt have anything to eat... and i felt more.

    let me know what u thought of em. Is there anything apart from proplus that can keep my non-dropping friends up as long as me?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wouldnt drink on them if I were you.
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