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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i agree, i have a younger brother, yet he's the one who takes the dog a walk after dark - i can't take her
    but i think its more because of his size, he's not 14 yet but he looks older than me!
    Its fair enough saying i need to respect my parents point of view, but they don't seem to be respecting mine or listening to what i say.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You've missed the point. Respect is EARNT, it is a privaledge. If they're "not" respecting you, then you need to do something to earn it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, respect from parents is not a privilege. It is a right, that can only be revoked if the child does something serious enough to warrant it.

    If ballerina had a cock there wouldn't be this issue IMHO.

    Bad parents restrict their teenagers movements, IMHO. Fair enough if its a school night and it is before GCSEs, but in any other situation it is not.

    Parents need to let their children make their own mistakes. How else do you learn, if mummy won't let you do anything?

    It probably will be a big mistake for Ballerina here to go off like that. It'll end in tears- teen relationships nearly always do. But you can't save children from those tears, and to try to makes it worse then they are slapped in the face with life.

    Children need to learn how to get hurt, how to make mistakes, and they need to learn before the mistakes are huge. They need to learn whilst they still have the nest to run back to. And that's the truth.

    How do you learn what your drink limit is if mummy won't let you drink? How do you learn how to get chucked without blubbing if mummy won't let you have boyfriends? How do you learn that yes, that boy was a nobhead, if mummy grounds you?

    Nobody wants to see their kids get hurt, but hiding them from life makes it a hell of a lot worse when life does drop-kick them in the nuts. They haven't learned how to deal with it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote:
    You've missed the point. Respect is EARNT, it is a privaledge. If they're "not" respecting you, then you need to do something to earn it.
    i've said, i've never been in any serious trouble, always done well at school, never flown off the rails, i have a dancing hobby i've kept up most of my life and done well in...i've never done anything to make them ashamed. I don't see what i've done wrong to not get their respect in the first place.
    I feel like they don't appreciate me sometimes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Have your parents actually met this bloke? Do they know he's not the type to try and get in your knickers at the first available time? Just go if you think you're 100% safe to go.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Have your parents actually met this bloke? Do they know he's not the type to try and get in your knickers at the first available time? Just go if you think you're 100% safe to go.
    Yes they've met him, they think he's great. Really friendly and helpful and polite. They know he's not a bad person. But because of his age they won't trust him.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    Yes they've met him, they think he's great. Really friendly and helpful and polite. They know he's not a bad person. But because of his age they won't trust him.

    Ah rite, just tell your parents to wise the fuck up!

    Just tell them you're not going to be mommy's/daddy's little girl forever, that you're growing up and you're going to his house after your GCSE's.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    First off: your parents sound like mine with the age difference thing. It wasn't ok at 15 to be with a 19 year old, but at 17, it's ok to be with a 20 year old.

    I do, however, think you need to try and think about how they feel about you. You're their baby girl, they've watched you grow up, and they can still remember the day you were born. You, to them, will always be their baby.

    I think girl in the curl's suggestion of going on day trips to him is a good one. You don't have to go to his, meet halfway. That way, if you get home safely, they know he's looked after you.

    I fucked up my relationship with my mum by not listening to what she told me to do, and I should have. Turned out she was right, and she was speaking from experience. I don't think she's being that unreasonable, but you have to decide for yourself what to do. If they like him, they will let you go on day trips with him, and it progresses from there.

    When I went to stay with Lewin over the summer, my mum only let me go because she knows he has a girlfriend, and she knew I'd be safe because it was the place I used to live, so she knew I'd know where I was going if I lost him, or something.

    I dunno...it's your choice what to do, but don't expect her to give in just because you keep asking.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    No, respect from parents is not a privilege. It is a right, that can only be revoked if the child does something serious enough to warrant it.

    If ballerina had a cock there wouldn't be this issue IMHO.

    Bad parents restrict their teenagers movements, IMHO. Fair enough if its a school night and it is before GCSEs, but in any other situation it is not.

    Parents need to let their children make their own mistakes. How else do you learn, if mummy won't let you do anything?

    It probably will be a big mistake for Ballerina here to go off like that. It'll end in tears- teen relationships nearly always do. But you can't save children from those tears, and to try to makes it worse then they are slapped in the face with life.

    Children need to learn how to get hurt, how to make mistakes, and they need to learn before the mistakes are huge. They need to learn whilst they still have the nest to run back to. And that's the truth.

    How do you learn what your drink limit is if mummy won't let you drink? How do you learn how to get chucked without blubbing if mummy won't let you have boyfriends? How do you learn that yes, that boy was a nobhead, if mummy grounds you?

    Nobody wants to see their kids get hurt, but hiding them from life makes it a hell of a lot worse when life does drop-kick them in the nuts. They haven't learned how to deal with it.

    Ok, maybe I should have been less general with what I said last night, still 200 miles is a long way when you're 16, to stay with some bloke.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Franki wrote:
    I do, however, think you need to try and think about how they feel about you. You're their baby girl, they've watched you grow up, and they can still remember the day you were born. You, to them, will always be their baby.

    I don't think it's so much that... not that they think she's still a baby (although 16 DOES seem very young still, as you get older I must admit) but the pressure on parents is huge these days. You're made to be responsible for EVERYTHING your offspring do, even if they are sixteen and ought to be at least partly responsible for their own actions.

    And unfortunately the way we're made to feel responsible at the moment is more big stick than juicy carrot... you understand what I mean? Well I hope someone will. When I was a kid, and a teenager, parents were parents and you decided how best to bring up your kids; now it's all prescribed by the nanny state and believe me, it does induce a kind of terror in you. Being a parent is hard enough without living in fear of policing from all manner of Govt. agencies, sometimes for the most ridiculous reasons.

    I've posted along these lines before on another of your threads about your mum, Ballerina.

    Miffy wrote:
    Sigh.

    Look, I'm not making excuses for her, she definitely shouldn't have said she would have you fostered. But on the other hand she IS a person as well as your mum, you don't become some kind of superhuman when you become a parent. The usual rules apply and like everyone else we make mistakes and say things we don't mean.

    And it's confusing. I mean REALLY. You've got this kid, who isn't really a kid anymore, but isn't really an adult either; you want to let them find their own way and make their own mistakes but on the other hand you want to protect them, from the world and themselves. You want to make everything OK for them. But you can't. Not least because you just don't have a CLUE what is going on in their head or why they are acting the way they are. It's not enough to have been a teenager once, because in the meantime the goalposts have been moved.

    It's like being given a particularly complicated piece of equipment, like, say, a particle accelerator without an instruction booklet. But you are completely responsible! Oh yes, you'll never be able to forget that, even if the fact didn't virtually give you an ulcer to begin with, the message comes from all sides. If they don't go to school enough, you are responsible and may get fined (or even imprisoned). If they (God forbid) get pregnant, you are responsible. If they do anything that might be remotely classed as antisocial, even if you think it's fairly normal teenage behaviour and not that serious, society will frown on you, wag its finger in your face and possibly make you go to parenting classes!

    So cut her a tiny little bit of slack eh? She's only human, she's probably just like the rest of us, bumbling around trying to get through life and do the right thing and usually cocking it up.

    She's going through a hard time at the moment as well isn't she? Aren't your parents splitting up? That's probably a lot of pressure on her... if that's so I doubt if you continuing to ask her is going to make her say yes... more likely to make her blow up at you.

    Now... I'm not saying you're wrong and she's right... because I don't know really. Unfortunately I can see it from both sides, and I DO believe that a parent's job is to prepare kids to be independent and not need them around to tell them what to do all the time. But... maybe, just maybe I can throw some light on why she is taking the stance that she is. I sincerely doubt that she's just doing it to be a bitch.

    Sorry I can't tell you what you should do, that's up to you. But think long and hard about it, eh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have no idea whats going on with them, if they're still splitting up. There still doesn't seem to be anything in their relationship anymore but i think they're holding back telling us because my gcses are coming up and so are my brothers SATs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It sounds like a pretty tense time for all of you one way and another.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My 2p :

    When my brother was 16 he was gallivanting off out at all hours of the night, he had tons of freedom. At 16, I was in at certain times, I was usually in at nights, I didn't go anywhere without them not knowing everything moment, where I was, who I was with, what time I'd be back etc...if I was a tiny bit late...my dad would be out looking for me. In my household, I used to be treated like the world was out to get me and I needed protecting. I'm 18, only last year was I ever allowed to stay around my boyfriends house, and this was because he'd spent tons of time with my rents, I'd spent loads with his. For a few weeks, I stayed in their spare room, then he started staying with me in the spare room, then I'd stay in his bed with him. My parents hate it when he stays over, they don't mind me over his, it's just the other way round they don't like. But, I always told them everything, where I'd be, when I'd be home, what we intended to be doing (cinema, renting a movie, going out for a meal...not mentioning any nookie!).

    My parents respect me, they trust me. Alike you at school I was an angel, kept up with my work, worked hard never in trouble. But that just proves I'm a good pupil. That doesn't prove anything in terms of whether I'm a menace when I'm out on the town or out with a lad.

    You're taking their 'no's as not trusting you and not respecting you. At 16, I wouldn't have even bothered asking my parents anything about staying over a bf's. I know, my parents would say no, and I just didn't bother and it was never something I had to give a reason to. They're my parents, if they say no, they say no. Yeah the excuses might seem lame but I think it's just their way of saying "It's not that we don't trust you, it's just we've never been confronted with this before and we'd be happier, if you were a little older before we let you travel 200 miles to stay with an older boyfriend". I never went against my parents will, and that showed I could be mature, that I'm not gonna kick up dust, I'll respect their decision and I'll bring the matter up again at another time. 16 is young, being 16 you're thinking it's old enough, but to them it's not. If I went against my parents, I would really hurt them. They're afraid for me, they just want me to be safe. If I go 200 miles away from them, wehn they said no, they'd be shitscared for my safety.

    It's not easy being 16...it's not easy being the parent of a 16 year old and facing their questions that would force them to realise, that while you're growing up, you're still a teenager and it's an awkward age.

    Think from their perspective when you're trying to persuade them how right yours is.

    Hope you find some sort of resolution :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I haven't read all the posts cos i couldn't be bothered, so sorry if i've repeated someone elses view point. To be honest at first i thought your parents were being really unreasonable, but then i read your boyfriend is 19 and lives by himself 200 miles away. I think if i was a parent i wouldn't let you go. It's true you shouldn't always accept your parents views, but in this case i have to say i think your parents are right.

    But if you really want to go, just go, they can't literally force you to stay at home. Good Luck.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    But if you really want to go, just go, they can't literally force you to stay at home. Good Luck.

    And if they found out what she's done, she's likely to be in trouble isn't she?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    he isn't living by himself, he shares a house with a guy in his 30's whos also a dad. who has said he doesn't want me to stay over anyway.
    whats confusing me is, that my parents say how great he is, and how much they like him - that he's so polite and helpful etc, yet they don't trust him to be alone with me. but they won't explain :confused:
    its so frustrating because they haven't actually told me what the problem is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    because you're 16. you're their little girl. they dont feel comfortable with it. they just dont want you to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    he isn't living by himself, he shares a house with a guy in his 30's whos also a dad. who has said he doesn't want me to stay over anyway.
    whats confusing me is, that my parents say how great he is, and how much they like him - that he's so polite and helpful etc, yet they don't trust him to be alone with me. but they won't explain :confused:
    its so frustrating because they haven't actually told me what the problem is.

    Ballerina, it's not about trust. If they're not comfortable, they're just not! You're 16 at the end of the day.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kat_B wrote:
    because you're 16. you're their little girl. they dont feel comfortable with it. they just dont want you to.

    That's exactly what I thought.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You seem to have decided you won't defy them, so what is the point in continuing to bleat about how unfair it is?

    Stop being a teenage stereotype. Stand up for yourself, or don't. There isn't any other advice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well as i've said, we're going to try and compromise. My mum asked me today if i still wanted to go, i said yes and asked why she asked. She said she's going to consider it nearer the time because she realised she needs to start trusting me. His mum said its ok for me to stay....so it's looking up now :)
    My mum said she doesnt want me to go and do something stupid, so i said if i do make a mistake then its my own fault and i have to learn from it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    My mum said she doesnt want me to go and do something stupid.

    Which may be why she told you no in the first place.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    he isn't living by himself, he shares a house with a guy in his 30's whos also a dad. who has said he doesn't want me to stay over anyway.
    whats confusing me is, that my parents say how great he is, and how much they like him - that he's so polite and helpful etc, yet they don't trust him to be alone with me. but they won't explain :confused:
    its so frustrating because they haven't actually told me what the problem is.


    parents are like that. they'll say 'don't do such and such' but not actually give you a reason why. it's just because. why doesn't his housemate want you to stay over? glad it's looking better. :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    parents are like that. they'll say 'don't do such and such' but not actually give you a reason why. it's just because. why doesn't his housemate want you to stay over? glad it's looking better. :yes:
    i think everyone used to hate that when they were kids too....i dunno why he doesn't want me over, probably because he doesn't want us at it like rabbits in his house :yeees:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    probably because he doesn't want us at it like rabbits in his house :yeees:

    Eat lettuce and poop everywhere?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My ma and da were nutters when they were younger so they pretty much let me do anything I wanted to when I was young.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I skipped a few posts so sorry if this is useless now but his housemate who is in his 30s isn't comfortable with you staying over and your mum wouldn't have a problem if your boyfriend lived with his mum...? so why not you and your boyfriend kip at his mum's provided she doesn't mind? You said she was laid back and you could ring your mum during the course of your stay from there and your bfs mum and your mum can be friends :heart:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    I skipped a few posts so sorry if this is useless now but his housemate who is in his 30s isn't comfortable with you staying over and your mum wouldn't have a problem if your boyfriend lived with his mum...? so why not you and your boyfriend kip at his mum's provided she doesn't mind? You said she was laid back and you could ring your mum during the course of your stay from there and your bfs mum and your mum can be friends :heart:

    Thats probably the most reasonable response in this whole thread.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NINE PAGES!?

    God sake.

    Life goes on, yanno if your Mammy tells you no.

    :|
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rachael wrote:
    I skipped a few posts so sorry if this is useless now but his housemate who is in his 30s isn't comfortable with you staying over and your mum wouldn't have a problem if your boyfriend lived with his mum...? so why not you and your boyfriend kip at his mum's provided she doesn't mind? You said she was laid back and you could ring your mum during the course of your stay from there and your bfs mum and your mum can be friends :heart:
    thats what we're doing - hopefully anyway
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