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Racism is believing that your race (genes I guess) is superior or more deserving of favour than that of different races.
What gives you the right to determine where those lines are though?
But that is just your opinion, surely? Why deny the right to an opinion to someone esle just becaue it differs from yours?
But not in the way you are suggesting. They should be destroyed through persuasion, not violence.
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It's a lovely irony isn't it?
Errr...no it isn't. I don't agree with Aladdin on this, but it ain't fascism.
Because amongst other things they are offensive? It's basically the same as insulting someone and calling them names.
No difference between calling someone a fucking this and that and saying people of certain race are by definition criminal/twisted/evil/etc. Is there?
Yeah it is. You should stop looking at content and start looking at how things operate.
Then you might see why I thik communism, socialism, monarchism, feudalism etc and all other forms of government are all cut from the exact same cloth.
You could do with doing some thinking. :rolleyes:
in all those systems the common element is the violent domination of some by a few. The purpose changes, the takers and the stolen from swap places, but the fundamental methodology is exactly the same.
It's this method that's the problem, not what you do once you are using it.
All politics follows this pattern.
1) The violence and threats used to make it happen
2) The fraud that allows persuasive men and women to get others to be violent for them.
As 1) is the problem and always will be, the reasons for 2) are quite immaterial. Unfortunately, 99% of political debate centres around what we should direct violence towards to achieve whatever preffered goals we have this week.
Facism is identical to monarchism, feudalism, capitalism, democracy yadda yadda in employing this process. The groups influenced and attacked by the fraud changes according to the whims of those in charge of the fraud. The process does not.
As this is the case, Al saying that person "x" should be stamped out, all that is happening is the same process, but with different players. That Al can't persuade others to get busy stomping is the only real difference.
I was oretty detailed I thought. You find anything factually incorrect in my statements?
No doubt you will want to waste your time looking at what fraud is being used and which groups are using it on which other groups, like it makes a gnat's chuff of difference.
...and they don't gain power in the same ways. As it happens (yes, you guessed it), I can recommend a book on the subject...
Look, I have told you that I don't see any difference between the fraud of "the divine right of kings" or the fraud of "the rule of law" and the frauds of nationalism (what nation? lunatics) or what have you. I see them as identical. They are one group using fraud to acquire violence to impose, rob murder (depnding on whim) and otherwise control another.
Once you've decided that there's no legitimacy in one man having violent control over another, then there's no need to look for people's excuses for getting that control.
Not really. Ideology is oneof the marketing device used by men and women who want you to be their slave. The fraud may change it's names and characters but not much else does.
Yeah, they all follow the same principle. Without a bunch of people voluntarily ganging together to control others, they couldn't exist. The only way you can do this is through some sort of persuasion of that group.
it is something i've asked you about before blag ...like what will you do about people like me who don't want to be a part of your commune ...
trouble is ...there are so many individuals and desires out there ...we have to have that violent control ...even in klint worlrd ...there would be a need for violence ...which i guess he already accepts.
If you're going to discuss politics, it helps to know what you're on about.
Where have I ever mentioned communes?
your missing the point mate.
whatever system we put in place ...involves force to keep it running in thst manner.
in kilint world or blag world ...you'll have to use force of some kind ...to maintain it.
there is no way round that simple fact.
life is so complex and people and their desires even more so.
how the hell ...do we ever achieve peace even?
surely the desire of most men and women is to live in peace ...with whatever prosperity we can afford eacjh other.
but even peace ...a simple desire ...seems unatainable.
why?
cos no matter what you want ...i want something else.
is there realy anty way round that?
Never said they didn't. Don't give a shit either.
All i said was that they all operate in an identical fashion, save the players change and the groups on the "top" and the "bottom" differ. Other than that, all those political systems are identical. You've not addressed this point have you, though? Ever notice how when blagsta is stumped he asks a question?
So facism is communism is democracy is monarchism is capitalism yadda yadda. Oh, they look different, they tell different lies to get their way, and they do different things once they have that violent control over individuals. So what? They are still identical in their fundamental methods, and so all the same.
As the process is the problem, you can't do anything by organising politically along any lines whatsoever.
So this -
Misses the key point that whoever has the violence becomes the top. All you really have to do to make people's lives better is fuck all. Just don't interfere at all. I don't have the right to wander into your house and look through your stuff. So if me and you and 100,000 other people band together and give ourselves a group name, we don't have that right either.
it doesn;t matter to me wether the the force comes from above or below ...whatever that may mean ...it's still force.
the last thing i need right now is ...some fucking shite estate with burnt out cars and kids ,,,burnt out finances and and id on't give a shit about peple who own their own house ...fuck the self employed ...telling me ...how i should arrange my life and my finances.
so ...someone is going to have to use vilolence.
i'm for a high tax economy ...unlike klint ...but i aint for being pudhed around ...much more than i already am being.
your going to have to use force ...from the bottom ...to move me ...and god hel- us all.
You aren't. But what is common sense to you isn't necessarily common sense to someone else. Just because a majority believe something, does that make is true?
As for basic human decency, I don't disagree that it is decent to treat people equally., but your are not doing that.
You are treating, or advocating treatment, which is different because of a person's belief. It actually makes you little different to them.
It's your opinion that it is offensive. But not of the person making the comments. Who's right? You'd be surprised what can cause offence to some people, it's a subjective issue... does that mean that everytime you cause offense then you should be subjected to the same remedy that you suggest for racists?
What you advocate is the forcing of your opinion and view on life on someone else, against their will. How does that make you different from the BNP?
Fasicm is oppressive dictatorial control, including censorship and suppression of opponents.
Please explain how violence against someone because of their beliefs does not fall into that category.
Learn what something means before using it. Fascism is a strong word.
But the society we live in already employs violence and the threat of violence to enforce its laws and to keep it running. You seem to be Ok with that though, for some reason. And what are you going on about estates and burnt out cars for?