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Simplifying things of course, and I don't really belive that the music you listen to influences your behaviour to such a degree but there you are.....
Gangsta culture is predominantly black. It's roots are black, it's music is black. It comes from the black ghettoes.
Culture and ethnicity are linked, because culture and perspective is, to an extent, passed down from the previous generation.
In any case muggings are not exactly related to the 'gangsta culture' so I see no link there.
I think you're missing the point in your haste to dismiss ethno-cultural links...
A culture/subculture can be linked to ethnicity. I don't know how that could be denied.
and...?
And nothing.
Just saying I've read the arguments.
Not sure, lets just say the IQ argument is true, having a low IQ might prevent you from suceeding in education, meaning you'll probably be living in some sort of poverty and have to resort to crime. Then if you have children they'll more than likely come from a broken home and the cycle continues. Not sure what having higher levels of testosterone would do in relation to crime.
Out of interest JimV, would saying "Christians are immoral and stupid" be enough to get a closure and a warning? That's a disgraceful generalisation too, if we're to go down that path.
The black culture in this country appears, to an outsider, to be hugely influenced by the ghetto culture in the USA, which is, in turn, hugely influenced by particularly Jamaican culture. Which is homophobic, misogynistic and hugely violent. Then there's the tribal cultures of middle Africa- Zaire, Sudan, etc- where female genital mutilation, torture and racial genocide are still hugely prevalent. Then there's South Africa which has become one of the most dangerous countries in the world, and has a president which attacks anti-rape campaigners as racist. In my experience young 2nd-gen male Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are leaning towards the Detroit and Chicago ghetto culture too.
The premise of my post was the recent murders, and the fact that young black men are hugely more likely to commit horrific group rape attacks- see the police source, see the "victim" of the London bomb who had gang-raped two young teenage girls the equivalent of 48 times (source)- indicates that something is wrong in those communities. The school drop-out rate indicates huge problems.
I should state that I don't think black people are evil, are disgusting, are rapists. But something is turning the young men from these communities into muggers, rapists and murderers. I don't believe it to be poverty- Newcastle is full of asylum seekers who behave themselves, and earn far less than these people- and I don't believe it to be race. I believe that the black culture- that of the MOBO, that ofa generic ghettoised culture- is causing these people to not care about lives.
Next question is how to change it? I don't know.
The Inquisition begins...
I smell a witch! A witch I tell you!
Erm...that's what an argument is.
If someone argues something it may or may not be true.
err..its not true. end of argument
So it's all about history of slavery and racism then :rolleyes:
The Bell Curve has been ridiculed in all serious medical circles.
What is there to argue?
I think people from Newry are made of cheese. Shall we argue that?
Ok it's not true. Fair enough.
Now what is the real reason for ghetto culture? blagsta says it might have something to do with the history of slavery and racism, then he jumps on people's case for being too simplistic. :crazyeyes
Are you trolling again? If you read your own post - "it might have something to do with the history of slavery and racism". How that also means "it's all about history of slavery and racism", fuck knows.
Me? Trolling? Coming from the person who says "fuck off" and "you're a cunt" in every other post, that's rich. I'll edit it if you want o great one :rolleyes:
And still doesn't get away from my point, your thesis on ghetto culture is very simplistic, even if you say it only "might" be something to do with history of slavery and racism.
Yes, you, the person who admits to trying to wind me up on purpose.
Oh christ. :banghead:
Why did you say "O Christ :banghead: " When I questioned this.
And I've never just winded people up on purpose without having something constructive to say also. I aint no Born Slippy.
So posting about The Bell Curve is constructive is it?
Also, if you notice, in my original point about slavery etc, I wrote "just a thought", thus indicating that it wasn't a totally developed line of argument, just something I tossed into the thread in a spare moment.
Erm I've just said I've read about it, not that I believe it.
And I believe I have a right to mention it in a political debate without having you going nuts about it and calling me a troll.
I wasn't calling you a troll. I was asking if you were trolling. See the difference? I do actually (usually) choose my words carefully. Not due to you posting about The Bell Curve, but due to your (seemingly deliberate) misinterpration of my post.
But that idea doesn't stand up to much scrutiny either.
Otherwise why don't the Welsh, Scots, Irish and northern English spend their days raping and murdering each other?
The choice of target could sometimes show a racist influence- particularly the way young Asian men target blonde teenage girls for group rape- but other than that, I don't really think it does.
Are you saying that that's what black people do?
Black culture as i said is not one culture, there is north american east coast black culture, and southern american black culture and london black culture, etc. Just as there is white french culture, white british culture, etc. There is no such thing as "Black Culture" in one big generalisation.
Also the idea that all black people are in anyway inherantly criminal or less intelligent is just plain bollocks and you all know it. No one is saying that, or if they are they a complete tosspot.
As for the example of all Italians been mafia, associated with the cosa nostra, thats just silly too! It is not a case of ALL Italians are in the mafia, its a case of all Mafia been Italian. That means MOST Italians are not associated with organised crime.
It is not a case of poverty as a sole reason, or persecution for that matter, it is a combination of social and yes cultural factors working in conjunction that affect the criminal rates of a particular culture of a group in society. Not forgotting influences of foreign but relatable cultures.
And exactly how am I supposed to read that in any other way other than you believe black people spend their time doing those things.
Remember your talking about a tiny minority of a huge group of people, and you're doing it in a way that is painting all black people and especially all young black men as something that is aborrent and disgusting to them and to everyone else.
White men are the largest group of rapists by numbers in this country, would you like be called a rapist everytime you read a post in this thread?
The largest number of racist attacks in this country, including the appalling murder recently a young black man in Liverpool, are by white men. Does that mean you are a murderer and a racist?
Branding all black men as the same is racism, it's exactly what racism is.
If you can't debate the issues involved here without sounding racist, then I'd suggest you take a look at where your feelings on this issue are really coming from. I don't know how many young black people you work with, but I can imagine how those who work at TheSite towers would feel to be told they 'spend their days raping and murdering each other?'.