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Socialism & racism...

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Is it possible for socialism and racism to go together...is racial separatism true to the socialist principles...

Steelgate, perhaps you would like to start us off...

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The only way I can see them going together is if the person who believes in both is a hypocritical, ignorant tosser.

    Oh wait...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Racial separatism is not the same as racism. Racial separatism is where a large group of people from one race move to be with their own race. There are black separatists as well as white separatists. Separatists do not consider the multi-racial society as a good idea but do not believe in repatriation like racist nationalists do. They believe in voluntary separation of large numbers of people of their race away from other races.

    Socialism does not mean forced multi-racialism of different cultures. It means the establishment of a world controlled by the workers which is borderless and classless. In such a society it would be possible for groups of people of the same race to live separatly if they wanted to remain separate from other races. There would be no compulsion for everyone to live in multi-racial communities.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>There would be no compulsion for everyone to live in multi-racial communities.</STRONG>

    No one here force you to live in this country, so why don't you fuck off?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>Racial separatism is not the same as racism. Racial separatism is where a large group of people from one race move to be with their own race. There are black separatists as well as white separatists. Separatists do not consider the multi-racial society as a good idea but do not believe in repatriation like racist nationalists do. They believe in voluntary separation of large numbers of people of their race away from other races.

    Socialism does not mean forced multi-racialism of different cultures. It means the establishment of a world controlled by the workers which is borderless and classless. In such a society it would be possible for groups of people of the same race to live separatly if they wanted to remain separate from other races. There would be no compulsion for everyone to live in multi-racial communities.</STRONG>

    Surely this is the system which exists now. No-one is forced to live anywhere, surely...?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Surely this is the system which exists now. No-one is forced to live anywhere, surely...?
    The system that exist now though forces people to travel across the world in search of work that is why we have a multi-racial society in Britain today. Because the biggest imperialist countries control most of the worlds wealth and have the most jobs so people from other countries, mostly countries that have been exploited by the big imperialist countries have to travel to them to find work. Also a large number of people of a different race in Britain are refugees who are fleeing wars which are fueled by the British arms trade!

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Crap. People CHOOSE to moev, people CHOOSE to live in certain areas. No-one is FORCED to live anywhere.

    People could CHOOSE to be unemployed like you have...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Man Of Kent, people don't choose to become refugees! They don't choose to have their homes bombed out by British made weapons that are sold to warring countries. The Palestinians don't choose to bombed and forced out of their homes by US armed Israeli troops!

    I don't choose to be unemployed I have applied for loads and loads of jobs in the past!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't choose to be unemployed I have applied for loads and loads of jobs in the past!
    I heard McDonalds have some vacancies <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by go_away:
    <STRONG> I heard McDonalds have some vacancies <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    Stepping into a position of ANYTHING other than "Chief Sheepherder For Fellow Morons Who Suscribe To Stealgate's Wetdream Of Communism" is beneath his fragile dignity...

    WORK FOR A LIVING? <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> He would rather be a subversive parasite! <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>Man Of Kent, people don't choose to become refugees! They don't choose to have their homes bombed out by British made weapons that are sold to warring countries. The Palestinians don't choose to bombed and forced out of their homes by US armed Israeli troops!</STRONG>

    And nobody forces the Palestinians to bomb Israel either..how many Israelis died yesterday? 19 was it?

    There are two sides to the story, I actually chose to support the palestinians but I'm not so blind as to see that they are equally to blame for the situation over there..

    Oh, and whilst you support the Palestinians because you believe this to be an anti-american cause (with you being blinded by your pathetic anti-west dogma) I would like to remind you that the original traders, working for profit, were arabs and they continue to be the biggest capitalists ever.

    When you criticise the west for protecting its oil supplies just ask yourself who SELLS the oil to the west?
    <STRONG>I don't choose to be unemployed I have applied for loads and loads of jobs in the past!</STRONG>

    Who do you apply to, can I assume that you have applied to McDonalds, Nike, Marconi? What about other capitalist organisations? Just who do you apply to, surely your political beliefs demand that you cannot work for ANY profit making organisation...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but back to racial separation, how would this work surely people have the RIGHT to travel and live wherever THEY want be that through econimic migration or not.

    Or are you suggesting that only the angles should be allowed to live in the UK...or africans in africa...and is this partition by race, religion, culture or by place of birth?

    Just what <STRONG>is</STRONG> voluntary separation of the races?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>people don't choose to become refugees! They don't choose to have their homes bombed out by British made weapons that are sold to warring countries. The Palestinians don't choose to bombed and forced out of their homes by US armed Israeli troops!</STRONG>

    Yes, they do choose to become refugees. Admittedly, the Palestinians may not have a great deal of choice about who the Israeli army buy their weapons and ammo from, nor exactly where the Israelis choose to strike after yet another suicide bombing, but they do have choice about their own actions. Actions like fleeing their homes and becoming refugees. The same applies the world over.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So would you not "choose" to become a refugee were there nothing for you in your place of birth? In many less developed countries, the people who flee (refugees, migrants, whatever) are admired for leaving and trying to make a better life for themselves.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MacKenZie you stupid twat! No one chooses to be a refugee! People do not choose to give up their homes and jobs and leave everytthing behind just like that to live in squalid refugee camps! They are fleeing war!

    I can remeber during the Kosovo crisis which came at a time when the papers were having a go at refugees calling them all bogus asylum seekers in line with the goveernment they suddenly changed their tune about Kosovan refugees when they wanted to get support for a war against Serbia!

    In places like Israel and Turkey where people are having their homes buldozed or bombed they simply cannot stay or they would face starvation or death. Turkey for example had demolished 3000 Kurdish villages since 1984 and driven 1.4 million Kurds from their homes many of which live in squalid refugee camps!

    Israel has since 1948 been demolishing Palestinian homes and driving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their land to make way for Israeli settlers! These people have no choice but to leave their homes and everything they had are gone most end up in squalid refugee camps! Also Israeli started terrorising Palestinians long before there were any Palestinian suicide bombers since 1984 in fact when half a million Palestinians were forced to flee their homes by the Israeli army!

    Why don't you read the Amnesty Inerternational report on refugees before you say shit like people choose to become refugees!

    [ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    SG, wanna know why you haven't found a job...because the government is watching you. It is watching all of us. Being a communist gets you black listed, or didn't you know that?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>Racial separatism is not the same as racism.</STRONG>

    Oh yes it is...
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>Racial separatism is where a large group of people from one race move to be with their own race. Separatists do not consider the multi-racial society as a good idea but do not believe in repatriation like racist nationalists do. They believe in voluntary separation of large numbers of people of their race away from other races.</STRONG>

    Being partial to one particular religion or race makes you a bigot: In choosing one group of people over all others you affectively put that group above others. When that is done considering race then you are quite clearly racist.
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>There are black separatists as well as white separatists</STRONG>

    There are hetrophobes as well as homophobes....what's your point?

    [ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: Stracha_Khan ]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Being a communist gets you black listed, or didn't you know that?
    This is complete rubbish or else all members of communist organisations would be out of a job! I have heard of capitalist organisation like the economic league that compile lists of subversives and circulate them to employers but this list is not very comprehensive and is not circulated to all employers only big businesses!

    Most communists are not blacklisted by employers!

    Stracha_Khan racial separatism is not the same as racism as speratists do not consider there race better than another race they just want to be with their own race more than any other race and preseve their race by remaining separate. They have nothing against other races and do not advocate repatriation like nationalist racists. Racism is a negative attitude towards a different race not a positive attitude towards your own race.

    [ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>Most communists are not blacklisted by employers!</STRONG>

    Shame. <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    [ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: Stracha_Khan ]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG>Stracha_Khan racial separatism is not the same as racism as speratists do not consider there race better than another race they just want to be with their own race more than any other race and preseve their race by remaining separate. They have nothing against other races and do not advocate repatriation like nationalist racists. Racism is a negative attitude towards a different race not a positive attitude towards your own race.
    </STRONG>

    Of course Racial Seperatism is racist! Choosing to be with people of one race over another is prejudice! Prejudice on the grounds of race is RACISM! How simple does it need to be?

    White skin blonde hair and blue eyes. You're no better than Hitler. <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well, in most cities, asian people choose to live together in communities which become predominantly asian, with mosques and temples, and Indian supermarkets etc. Is this racist?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by * k-t *:
    <STRONG>Well, in most cities, asian people choose to live together in communities which become predominantly asian, with mosques and temples, and Indian supermarkets etc. Is this racist?</STRONG>

    Very much so.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Please explain how this is racist. I think it is natural. When my grand parents came over as refugees, all the Eastern European refugees ended up living in the same areas in London....surely as a minority culture, you would want to live amongst those similar to you..with family close by? I don't see how that is racist.

    A Racist: a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by * k-t *:
    <STRONG>Please explain how this is racist. I think it is natural. When my grand parents came over as refugees, all the Eastern European refugees ended up living in the same areas in London....surely as a minority culture, you would want to live amongst those similar to you..with family close by? I don't see how that is racist.

    A Racist: a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others</STRONG>

    Any prejudice on grounds of race is racism, whether it's positive or negative.

    You're right, that is natural. Naturally racist though. Not necessarily saying that it was a bad thing or that it shouldn't happen. I just think racial integration is much better.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by * k-t *:
    <STRONG>Well, in most cities, asian people choose to live together in communities which become predominantly asian, with mosques and temples, and Indian supermarkets etc. Is this racist?</STRONG>

    If people of any other race are exclude from this area, then yes that would be racist.

    If you stop someone living anywhere based on their race then you are doing this based on prejudice. That is racism, it isn't just about thinking you are better...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stealgate:
    <STRONG> they just want to be with their own race more than any other race and preseve their race by remaining separate.</STRONG>

    er how is that NOT racist?

    preserve their race, how could a white dude, living next to an asian dude threaten the "preservation" of either race?

    <STRONG>
    Racism is a negative attitude towards a different race not a positive attitude towards your own race.</STRONG>

    How is racial separation positive?

    And how do you define RACE? Is it colour, religion, culture, place of birth?

    I have a feeling I asked this before, but as usual when I ask tough questions you seem to have side-stepped it...

    [ 31-03-2002: Message edited by: Man Of Kent ]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is only one race. The human race.

    Any judgement which takes into consideration "race" is a racist judgement. Its simple.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That is an interesting point. I have complained before about so called positive discrimination, whereby jobs are only available to people from minority cultures. This happens in Birmingham city council. To me, that is racist.

    But people are constantly talking about race, it is always in the news about racist attacks which makes differences more noticable. When you are a little kid, you don't even know what "racism" is, it is learnt.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by * k-t *:
    <STRONG>....positive discrimination, ... To me, that is racist.
    </STRONG>

    Agreed.

    There is no such thing as positive discrimination. It is still discrimination and therefore racist.

    The question of race was actually targetted at Steelgate though. He is the one who think you can identify the 'differences' between people. So how do we do that?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's a pity you damn commies aren't black listed. You don't deserve jobs you damn hypocrites
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