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Socialism & racism...
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Is it possible for socialism and racism to go together...is racial separatism true to the socialist principles...
Steelgate, perhaps you would like to start us off...
Steelgate, perhaps you would like to start us off...
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Oh wait...
Socialism does not mean forced multi-racialism of different cultures. It means the establishment of a world controlled by the workers which is borderless and classless. In such a society it would be possible for groups of people of the same race to live separatly if they wanted to remain separate from other races. There would be no compulsion for everyone to live in multi-racial communities.
No one here force you to live in this country, so why don't you fuck off?
Surely this is the system which exists now. No-one is forced to live anywhere, surely...?
Globalise Resistance the voice of the anti-capitalist movement.
People could CHOOSE to be unemployed like you have...
I don't choose to be unemployed I have applied for loads and loads of jobs in the past!
Stepping into a position of ANYTHING other than "Chief Sheepherder For Fellow Morons Who Suscribe To Stealgate's Wetdream Of Communism" is beneath his fragile dignity...
WORK FOR A LIVING? <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> He would rather be a subversive parasite! <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
And nobody forces the Palestinians to bomb Israel either..how many Israelis died yesterday? 19 was it?
There are two sides to the story, I actually chose to support the palestinians but I'm not so blind as to see that they are equally to blame for the situation over there..
Oh, and whilst you support the Palestinians because you believe this to be an anti-american cause (with you being blinded by your pathetic anti-west dogma) I would like to remind you that the original traders, working for profit, were arabs and they continue to be the biggest capitalists ever.
When you criticise the west for protecting its oil supplies just ask yourself who SELLS the oil to the west?
Who do you apply to, can I assume that you have applied to McDonalds, Nike, Marconi? What about other capitalist organisations? Just who do you apply to, surely your political beliefs demand that you cannot work for ANY profit making organisation...
Or are you suggesting that only the angles should be allowed to live in the UK...or africans in africa...and is this partition by race, religion, culture or by place of birth?
Just what <STRONG>is</STRONG> voluntary separation of the races?
Yes, they do choose to become refugees. Admittedly, the Palestinians may not have a great deal of choice about who the Israeli army buy their weapons and ammo from, nor exactly where the Israelis choose to strike after yet another suicide bombing, but they do have choice about their own actions. Actions like fleeing their homes and becoming refugees. The same applies the world over.
I can remeber during the Kosovo crisis which came at a time when the papers were having a go at refugees calling them all bogus asylum seekers in line with the goveernment they suddenly changed their tune about Kosovan refugees when they wanted to get support for a war against Serbia!
In places like Israel and Turkey where people are having their homes buldozed or bombed they simply cannot stay or they would face starvation or death. Turkey for example had demolished 3000 Kurdish villages since 1984 and driven 1.4 million Kurds from their homes many of which live in squalid refugee camps!
Israel has since 1948 been demolishing Palestinian homes and driving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their land to make way for Israeli settlers! These people have no choice but to leave their homes and everything they had are gone most end up in squalid refugee camps! Also Israeli started terrorising Palestinians long before there were any Palestinian suicide bombers since 1984 in fact when half a million Palestinians were forced to flee their homes by the Israeli army!
Why don't you read the Amnesty Inerternational report on refugees before you say shit like people choose to become refugees!
[ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
Oh yes it is...
Being partial to one particular religion or race makes you a bigot: In choosing one group of people over all others you affectively put that group above others. When that is done considering race then you are quite clearly racist.
There are hetrophobes as well as homophobes....what's your point?
[ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: Stracha_Khan ]
Most communists are not blacklisted by employers!
Stracha_Khan racial separatism is not the same as racism as speratists do not consider there race better than another race they just want to be with their own race more than any other race and preseve their race by remaining separate. They have nothing against other races and do not advocate repatriation like nationalist racists. Racism is a negative attitude towards a different race not a positive attitude towards your own race.
[ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
Shame. <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
[ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: Stracha_Khan ]
Of course Racial Seperatism is racist! Choosing to be with people of one race over another is prejudice! Prejudice on the grounds of race is RACISM! How simple does it need to be?
White skin blonde hair and blue eyes. You're no better than Hitler. <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Very much so.
A Racist: a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
Any prejudice on grounds of race is racism, whether it's positive or negative.
You're right, that is natural. Naturally racist though. Not necessarily saying that it was a bad thing or that it shouldn't happen. I just think racial integration is much better.
If people of any other race are exclude from this area, then yes that would be racist.
If you stop someone living anywhere based on their race then you are doing this based on prejudice. That is racism, it isn't just about thinking you are better...
er how is that NOT racist?
preserve their race, how could a white dude, living next to an asian dude threaten the "preservation" of either race?
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How is racial separation positive?
And how do you define RACE? Is it colour, religion, culture, place of birth?
I have a feeling I asked this before, but as usual when I ask tough questions you seem to have side-stepped it...
[ 31-03-2002: Message edited by: Man Of Kent ]
Any judgement which takes into consideration "race" is a racist judgement. Its simple.
But people are constantly talking about race, it is always in the news about racist attacks which makes differences more noticable. When you are a little kid, you don't even know what "racism" is, it is learnt.
Agreed.
There is no such thing as positive discrimination. It is still discrimination and therefore racist.
The question of race was actually targetted at Steelgate though. He is the one who think you can identify the 'differences' between people. So how do we do that?