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that victor meldrew syndrome strikes again i believe
was this child being disrespectful then for asking for the same freedom of movement as adults? imo this boy acted in a adult fashion by opposing this pointless and facist law
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4699095.stm
Boyakasha, etc.
Is it coz I is blonde?!
Lock 'em up and give 'em an ASBO. That'll sort it. :yeees:
True but the possibility is there as stated. Seems crazy as there is existing legislation to deal with noise complaints etc.
First they came for the.......
And all too often they're allowed to get away with their behaviour unchallenged so they keep on doing it.
Even just going into a Burger King last week late at night when no other place was opened these lads ordered their food but then proceeded to insult all the other customers, who were just minding their own business and trying to order food.
Respect is the perfect word to describe what they didn't have for others.
Yeah thats true, something should be done to tackle such behavure.
However Respect is also the perfect word to describe what Tony blaire dosnt have for the truth, the electorate, and well anything realy apart from his own ego.
you can remove people from shops you know, it's a persons unwillingness to challenge them that is the problem
they aren't doing anything wrong enough to be illegal, and im sure they'd be out still even if there was a curfew, simply because you only happen to see police where people shop and spend money strangely enough
What really worries me is how often you and I agree...
it's called principles :yes:
This from the CONSERVATIVE leader... so the Conservatives and LAbour have swapped ground?! WTF!
Oh dear. What a royal mess.
Well imagine how confusing it is for George Galloway...
"Knee-jerk populism" is exactly what this is.
This whole "Respect" nonsense is utterly cringeworthy as well. Respect? How is any of this going to promote "respect"?
if there is a crack house in the neighborhood the cops kick down the door and arrest people, if college kids are playing music too loud they get a noise complaint, if you punch someone on the street you get charged with assault in the 4th degree (I have no idea what the British equivalent to that is). It's all pretty simple, why have a whole area of law dedicated to "anti social behavior"?
like shouting abuse at someone, throwing rocks at cars, whatever it is. if they do it right then they can just flatly deny all knowledge, and they need to be caught in the act by the police, before anything will be done about them
think of it more of someone terrorising the neighbourhood, they can do all sorts of small things that make someones life a living hell, or even many things to many people
and yet they get caught each time and get a slap on the wrist, because its nothing too bad in the eyes of the law, its a solution to stop this
Quite. I am not sure if this new proposal is the right way to do it. If it does stop this Anti Social Behaviour, goodo. I bet it will be rather flawed and shit like most of their policy though... there's only one thing for it!
VIGILANTE MOB! Who's with me?
For those kind of crimes we do have laws already in place and the politicians often forget that. We also have something called "Breach of the Peace" which would cover many of the minor annoyances.
The problem with that is the burden of proof because it means that there needs to be sufficient evidence to prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that the scrote in front of the judge is the guilty one.
With ASBO the burden of proof is much lower. That is why they love it so much. It's also why so many of us are wary of them.
The other part of yesterdays announcement was the little titbits tucked away in the speech. References to moving away from "innocent until proven guilty" to instant justice and appeal. That is fundamentally wrong IMHO.
Personally, I think we need more community officers and lower level authority figures like that. There's no point paying for thousands of £20-£30k a year police officers, if all they're gonna be doing is filling out paperwork about someone being abusive on a bus, for example. Whereas there used to be a bus conductor to handle this type of thing, now it seems that such cases have to be handled by the police, or (more often) not bothered with. Better to have more local level police figures for things like this. It might even bring police back into the community and if people see a police presence or think that they won't get away with things (whether the policing is actually more effective or not), then they wont try them in the first place.
Just kick all the problem children and those with hidden disabilities like Touettes, ADHD and Aspergers on to the streets!
I like these ideas however, I just don't think making people homeless, especially children who are robably vulnerable and need someone to help tem on the street is a good idea.
That was my first thought when I read this. It's like there's this desperate desire for everybody to conform. The UK is at least not the most appealing of places I could think of moving to or raising my kids in.
Laws don't create respect.
Th level of evidence is that of a civil case. i.e. if the magistrate doesn't like the look of you on the day, then your guilty.
The penalties for it are criminal.
Fair?
Jesus.
You were dong so well.....the first half of the sentence works really well. There's no point paying for thousands of £20-£30k a year police officers I agree with. Just get rid of the lot of them and get something accountable in instead.
In "the good old days" it wasn't minor authority figures that kept hooligans in check, it was the knowledge that if they pissed anyone of too much, they'd get a slap. Now the law has stepped in to protect both half of the equation, you have disempowered law abiding people and protected criminals.
Yeah he'd probably sort things out.
Good one!