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When did he say anything of the sort?
Obviously I'm exaggerating for effect. But he is saying that cannabis gives amazing insights and alcohol gives none. Which is quite clearly a load of hippy shite.
Yeh, typical blagsta post. Go read what I said this time and come back when you have something constructive to say. Right?
No, I said about 3 or 4 times that it doesn't give amazing insights. Have you read the thread or are you just going on a typical blagsta superiority rant?
I think it's fair to say that some drugs are more insightful than others though. If I drank a skinfull I probably wouldn't remember the night before.
Drink has never given me the same profound experiences that LSD, DMT, MDMA and to a lesser degree cannabis have.
I must admit I haven't read the entire thread, but here
and here
you seem to be saying that cannabis does and alcohol doesn't.
See blag..a lot different than to thinking it's groovy and hip.
And you know rightly blag that alcohol just doesn't compare to other non-depressent drugs in terms of having insight.
Hmmmm, you seem to be saying in your later statements that it offers some amazing insights that alcohol doesn't.
The effects that drugs have isn't merely down to the pharmacological properties. It is also down the social and cultural expectations and discourse of that drug. Alcohol has been an aid to many a philosophical debate if you read up on the subject.
Well I'd disagree with you there. Put a smack head, a pisshead and a ket head into a room with an E head, a dope head and a shroom head and I'm sure you'll see remarkeble differences with who has insight and who hasn't.
One thing I'll be willing to agree with is that maybe alcohol will give you insight to a degree but my main argument wasn't about that, it was with kermit who said that being a stoner doesn't give you a life experience it just makes your brain go squishy. When that isn't true.
Who gets to decide what counts as insight? If you think that opiates never gave anyone any insight of any kind, go read some Coleridge or listen to the Velvet Underground or Nick Cave. If you think alcohol never gave any insights go read Joyce or listen to The Pogues.
Being a stoner doesn't give you life experience. It just makes you a stoner.
I've read coleridge, personally I think wordsworth and keats are much better.
Heard of them other two bands, not sure if I'd like them.
Read Joyce, read Hemmingway and have heard the Pogues. Not sure what this has got to do with my opinion.
So drugs don't give you a life experience, I'm sorry but what planet are you living on? I'm surprised saying as you were a former drug user yourself.
for an exploration of drugs' influence on literature and culture.
I agree with that.
I'm sure you wouldn't get much from dropping a copuple of pills and staqying in at home on you own. Do them with your mates however and the experience is awsome.
Not much but taking drugs is more about the buzz, it's about interaction, places and people you meet. Talking about their lives and experiences and how you relate. It's like an underground thingy. Definately a life experience mate and you know it too!
ETA:Blag recommending a book...well I never
No, it can be awesome. Some people hate it. It also very much depends on the cultural context. In the late 80's/early 90's in the UK it was very much PLUR, it felt like a cultural revolution. When it reached US hip hop culture in the late 90's/early 90's it changed the beats and production but there was very little evidence of anything remotely resembling PLUR. Drug taking (like everything else) exists in a social context which effects the meaning of the experience.
Sorry, but that is generalising bollocks. It can be that, it's not automatically that. It depends on the context.
If you don't educate yourself you'll carry on spouting bollocks.
Has it stopped you, Blagsta?
The Velvet Revolvers didn't gain creative insight from heroin as such, it was more of a case that it lessened their musical inhibitions - creating lengthy pieces of music which, if sober, they would felt over the top and didn't fit a proper musical framework. Smack just loosened up their style and bit and let the creation flow...
i think there is a clear distinction between certain drugs (mostly hallucinogens) and others (such as alcohol). Heightened sensitivity and increased vibes come from mushrooms, lsd, cannabis etc - lessened sensitivity is the result of alcohol, although i wouldn't deny the lifestyle (as with the pogues) can provide a basis for musical creation.
The Pogues & Velvent Underground never really appealed me anyway...probably the very reason for that being their preferred intoxicants (inseparable to their musical style) are different to mine.
Sorry mate I don't need books or strangers views to explain what "life experiences" are. You know what your problem is, you're so wound up in your own fuckin wee world that you're making enemies of the people you should be firends with, well I tell ya what, people like me, skive, spliffie,bong,morrocan roll are your friends but you spout so much shit that your on the "enemies" side and you don't even realise it so get a grip will ya, who are you trying to impress, the intellects or the people? Ask yourself that question and come back when you find the answer. You're arguiung against me and the others on this site because you think you've been there/done that and you think you're a god because of it...now wise up!!!
Who?
What pretentious bollocks.
Get over yerself mate.
I don't think it's Turlough that needs to get 'over himself', and I think that's the point he was making. Your so agressive, short and rude to absolutely everybody.
Why do you make yourself so fucking hard to get on with?
Turlough was responding to a tongue in cheek comment I made (hence the ) which was itself a reponse to a tongue in cheek comment he made. He then gets annoyed about it for some reason.
If I think someone is talking crap I tell them, even if they are someone I roughly agree with on other things. Its just the way I am. I'm actually very easy to get on with "in real life", but this is a bulletin board and I'm not here to "make friends". I'm here mostly to entertain myself.
Great, I couldn't imagine anyone being like that "in real life." Though seriously, sometimes you need to get off your high horse and look at what you post. Mate.
He's starting to see things from my point of view :thumb: