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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Ok, so I can't spell, but I hope you know what I'm tlaking about.

When I was in 6th grade (12 or so years old) we had sex education. It was the only year we had sex edu. (I'm not saying this is everywhere in america, just in my small town) They taught us about the male and female reproductive organs. They taught us about the biological stuff. When it came to sex, they taught us one and only one thing. They taught us abstinence. They taught us sex was wrong until you are married. They taught it was very wrong. They never gave us one fucking piece of advice on safe sex. They diddn't teach us of condoms, they didn't teach of us birth control. Nothing. Only no sex. There were posters, a "club" everything. ALl about no sex. And they wonder. They serioucly wonder why a class of 300 people (so about 150 girls at least) are pregnant or mothers by the time they graduate. In my small class of graduates, the ones who hadn't dropped out before they did, I knew of over 30 girls who had babies or were pregnant by the time thy graduated highshchool (about the age of 18)

I took it upon myself be smart. I asked my mother and pretty much studied things online about birth control. Both for men and women. I was taught nothing in school. I know alot of people were, but I was not. I lived in a town where things will always be the way they always were. And I doubt that will ever change. 20 years from now they will only teach of abstinence.
I can guarantee you.

Another place of abstinence. AA. Alcoholics anonymous. It works for some. Probalby the same people that never had sex. I'm 20. I'm not even old enough to buy my own fucking alcohol and I've already been there. I'm not going to dis it that much. Apperantly my father was an alcoholic while my older brother was a baby. He decided to get help with he kept asking questions "is daddy sick again today?" And what do they teach there. No alcohol. Complete absincence from alcohol. Guess what, it doesn't work that way.

I grew up being taught and beliveing that alcohol was such a horrible thing. Even now, I can't drink withiout being ashamed of myself. When I was young, when I got "help" when I stil ldrink now. I'm always ashamed of myself. Because I was thaught and I believe that its a shameful horrible thing.

I extramly definatly belive, and I know that every person here will agree with me when I say that teaching children only about no sex as opposed to safe sex is wrong.

But for alot of other things that they say and teach for abstinence is wrong also. If I once taught at AA how to drink responsibly, taught how to do it within reason, maybe I would be alright. If I didn't grow up thinking it was horrible, so of course you do it becasue you think your a rebel, maybe I cxould have known how to do it alright. If I wasn't tuaght that sex was only bad and only to do when your marri4ed, mabye some things wouldn't have happened. Maybe if the two put together I could have learned not to get raped. Not to get pregnant from that, not to fuck my life up more and lose it... twice. Maybe if some people took one fucking ounce of reality, and thought to actually teach the truth, teach something useful things would be different.

Its not wrong to drink every once in a while. Its not wrong to have safe sex. Why don't they teach that? Why must my school have taught that sex is bad? Why must AA teach that you can never drink?

Abstinence is not the way. Responsiblity, thought, intelignece is the way.

I know that AA always teaches of no alcohol. And I know that most schools everywhere teach of safe sex, but not mine. That is why, my highschool had the highest teenage pregnancy rate of the entire state of Minnesota. And we were only a town of 20,000 people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've been told that Ohio's schools are abstinence-only and some people got those little plastic fake credit cards that said you'd refrain from having sex till you're wed. However, I either never had the core class that taught the sex education or I was absent that day. In high school, the schools basically ignored the situation, but the book did throw in a pro-abstinence message every time it could.

    I do agree that teaching just abstinence is ignoring the issue at hand. Not every child will not have sex and basically the government is not doing it's job. Although, is it even the government's job to teach the children about sex?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The government only funds the schools. They have virtually no effect on what is taught. I just started thinking now. The super intendent is what is the absolute highest in the school district of my small town. My mother is right below him. I'm open with her. I'm currently writing an email to her which I will call her about tomorrow. But I'm telling her all my thoughts.
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    Dr PirateDr Pirate Posts: 8,303 Legendary Poster
    Same in my school, I live in north london, and when I was in year 6 (about 11 years old) we had 1 one hour video about sexual organs, and that was it... Nothing about the consiquences of unprotected sex.

    I taught myself, pretty much how you did, mum told me a few things but it's just not the same as being told in school =\

    It's appaulling
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dr Pirate wrote:
    Same in my school, I live in north london, and when I was in year 6 (about 11 years old) we had 1 one hour video about sexual organs, and that was it... Nothing about the consiquences of unprotected sex.

    I taught myself, pretty much how you did, mum told me a few things but it's just not the same as being told in school =\

    It's appaulling

    I don't know whether I'm glad that somebodly else besides the whit trash place that I grew up learned that or frankly appauled like you. Tuesday, when my mother goes back to work, I hope she gets my email and I hope she puts some real thought into it. I know I'm just one of those little dorks who writes people when they are mad with something, but I never had and I don't know if she can or if she can't. But if one town can change their cirriculm to learn about the truth, rather than some far off dream that, frankly, not alot of people do, then I guess I'll be a little happier. And its not just about sex. Its about teaching truth, teaching something thats reachable. Teaching something that can actually work, teach and... I don't know, be doable for an average person. Maybe I've just had about 5 too many drinks, but maybe they shouldn't have taught that 0 is the winner. 0 sex, 0 drinks, 0 whatefver. Maybe they should teach what is reality. I feel as bad for you, pirate as I feel bad for myself and everybody else who has to go thru that abstinence system.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree, that is pretty lame. We had no sex-ed at all in our school. I guess it's pretty similar to that, it leaves you not knowing anything useful.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "Sex education" in my school consisted of a gathering in the music room where they passed around a condom, tampon, can of deodorant and shaving kit. In Year 9, when most of my year had already had sex :rolleyes:.

    For an all-girls' Catholic school, they actually didn't harp on about abstinence very much. Had probably given up, since the school is in (what was?) the teen-pregnancy hotspot of the UK.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Our sex ed was shite in school in the same way our drugs ed was shite.
    My parents were pretty open about sex and I could ask them any questions which was fortunate and when it came to drugs I taught myself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    *gets on her high horse*

    In the UK there is no set sex-ed curriculum. There's a couple of things that they're not allowed to talk about, but apart from that the individual teachers make up their own curriculums with regards to sex ed. They have to find the information themselves and teach the class in whatever way they feel most comfortable with. It's ridiculous. However we did get sex ed a lot - starting at the age of 10-11 and then a block pretty much every year until 16-17 ish.

    When I was 13 I stood up in front of my class and told my teacher she was wrong (can't remember what it was about - spermicidal condoms I think). Then I spoke with her after the class and pointed her in the direction of GOOD sex ed internet sites where she could get decent information to teach the class.

    My plan for life is to work in a family planning clinic and teach sex ed in schools :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Going to a Catholic grammar school run by priests you'd imagine the sex ed would be lame, actually, there was none!

    Who says it's wrong to drink? is this an American thing? Getting pissed here is part of the culture :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Going to a Catholic grammar school run by priests you'd imagine the sex ed would be lame, actually, there was none!

    Who says it's wrong to drink? is this an American thing? Getting pissed here is part of the culture :D


    Once you go to AA, they tell you that even a sip is a no no, you could relapse.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my_name wrote:
    Once you go to AA, they tell you that even a sip is a no no, you could relapse.

    Oh right, I thought people in general thought it was bad. Yes I think that's an AA policy and for some people it only takes a sip to relapse...I don't think alcohol and sex can be compared in this context. However, the odd bit of drink isn't too bad...even healthy in some cases but most people choose to get hammered, it's a social thing. Not an AA thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wasn't comparing the two. I was speaking more of the none factor. The general abstinence issue I was thinking of last night.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my_name wrote:
    I wasn't comparing the two. I was speaking more of the none factor. The general abstinence issue I was thinking of last night.

    Abstinence for an alcoholic is the best way to avoid a relapse. Abstinence in sex is bad for everyone. Well most people.
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    Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Posts: 16,688 Skive's The Limit
    All the "sex ed" we had (if you can even call it that) was the biology. No teachings of abstinence or safe sex or anything.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    When I was at shcool we had a sex ed class every week for one term. We watched a video made in the 80s about sti/d's which told us that is we had any form of sex with out a comdom we WOULD get them. we didnt get taught about pregnancy for some reason....I guess they thought it was a given. The teacher wasnt aloud to talk about sex in a loving relationship unless is was within marrage, and he wasnt aloud to talk about anal or gay sex. Which pissed off a couple of boys in my class who were gay, cos they wanted to have sex with eachother and wernt being tuaght how to do it safely.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We got taught nothing about safe sex in sex ed I learnt about it in teenage magazines believe it or not.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lea_uk wrote:
    We got taught nothing about safe sex in sex ed I learnt about it in teenage magazines believe it or not.

    What a great place to learn about it :crazyeyes
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    we had a sex ed like the one where they pass bananas round and you put comdoms on it. and in biology we had a little bit of sex ed there.

    when i got to college, we had a sex awareness thingy (we must have been 17/18), and it was the most graphic thing i've ever seen. showing the effects of sti's etc. proper put me off my dinner. but if they showed that in secondarys, there would be a lot less pregnancies for sure. it scared the shit out of us.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with turlough, abstinence in sex and alcohol aren't really comparable in this context. Abstinence in sex is a choice, whereas abstinence for an alcoholic may be the only way to avoid a relapse. Al least in AA that's what they believe. Maybe its not true for every alcoholic, I don't know really, but I believe in most cases it is.
    I do see your point though my_name. Teaching responsibility instead of forbidding things. I general I agree its a better policy.

    By the way, I went to a lay school and all the sex education we got was from an anglican minister who made us all write questions in a box and then he answered them out loud. We were about 13 years old. the questions and the answers were pretty lame really, learnt almost nothing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mist wrote:
    I agree, that is pretty lame. We had no sex-ed at all in our school. I guess it's pretty similar to that, it leaves you not knowing anything useful.
    Our sex ed was shit... But it was because my class were so out of control.

    Personally I think that telling children to abstain is disgusting.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    All I remember about sex education was asking an awkward teacher awkward questions.

    "Sir, what's a blowjob?"

    "Sir, what does 69'ing mean?"

    "Sir, what's bondage?"

    Fuck knows how he kept a straight face.

    The best sex education i received was late night channel 5.

    Drugs talks were even better.

    "When you take LSD, anything can happen, including being chased by a giant wheatabix".

    How I laughed.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My sex-ed was okay, my mum taught me a lot more about safe sex etc then school did. I Even covered the mechanics of sex, pregnancy and reproduction in a little bit too much detail for my Human Biology A level, which put me off having kids for a while.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    "When you take LSD, anything can happen, including being chased by a giant wheatabix".

    :lol:

    The sex ed I received in school wasn't too bad, tbh...
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    littlemissylittlemissy Posts: 9,972 Supreme Poster
    The teacher that was assigned to do sex ed with us was the PE teacher. He was more interested in signing up all the girls for his netball team :yeees:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The sex ed that i recieved was practically none existant.

    we learnt the biology of it and that was about it

    i remember once waiting to go into a teachers office and hearing a conversation that went

    "i cant believe the fpa rang to see if we want them to give a contreception talk, were a catholic school what would everyone think"

    probably they would think twice before having unprotected sex
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my_name wrote:
    The government only funds the schools. They have virtually no effect on what is taught.
    At least in the USA, the federal can deny (some) funding to schools if they teach anything other then abstinence-only.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ours was really really good. I only went to your averafe comprehensive, but at the time i'm pretty sure Grimsby was one of the worst places for teenage pregnancies, and they really did a good job in educating people. We had visits from the clinics and all sorts.

    Alot of America seems so insular...i bet it's the same sort of schools that refuse to teach evolution..
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i have no problem in creationism being taught in a school, just not as part of a science lesson
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    haha i always used to wind our RE and Physics teachers up when they were teaching creation and the big bang.

    'well thats not what she said' etc

    and writing in our tests about the big bang. 'didnt happen, god made it'
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think we didn't sex until high school, then it was mostly about periods in the younger years ans the biological reproduction later on ands then finally some sex ed in the gcse's years. Most about std's and contrception and also odd laws, apprently there was no lower age limit for girls to have lesbain sex and boys could have sex at 14 but girls couldnt until 16, also that anal sex is illegal in marriage.


    We did stuff on reasons why to have sex and why not to, but no tmuch on sex itself really and how it isn't all how its presented to be and stuff.

    Our year did pretty ok but summat happened to the years below us coz they kept getting more and more people pregnant as school went on. Like no1 in our year had a babty but loads in ther year sbelow as they came up did, with suggestions that some of them were concieved in the disabled toilets at the school :s
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