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35 people stabbed in 3 hours
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Disturbing.
Since carrying a knife is usually illegal is it not time that it's made easier for the police to stop and search? I think the government also needs to think about automatically jailing those illegally carrying a knife.
Since carrying a knife is usually illegal is it not time that it's made easier for the police to stop and search? I think the government also needs to think about automatically jailing those illegally carrying a knife.
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Wow, have you a crystal ball?
For all I know I've directly seen more violence and threats of violence (overlooking all the stories of violence) in my 3 months in England, than I have from going out in Copenhagen since the age of 14/15.
I can't think of a place that serves drinks 24-hours, though our places are a lot more generous in their time-span of serving. That's for sure.
No, it's time to make carrying weapons mandatory, obviously. Preferably guns, but I see no reason why not knives.
It is time for a more Authoritarian appraoch, but in a good way. We mostly see authority used in all the wrong ways currently, and so it has become a dirty bad word.
We also need to sort out society and what is causing these problems. If it means arming people to defend themselves for a time until we can, ok, but permanantly? No. It's done more harm than good in the US of A. Ok, so for some time, it was needed. But now? No.
What about people who hunt?
There isn't a knife epidemic, you here about the odd spate of attacks but it's not a regular occurance.
Authority is the perfect solution except for the fact that it only effects those who don't need it in the first place.
The problem with the "US" and violence is as much to fo with the way they present violence as a solution to all ills then anything wrong with the idea of people being armed. Historically, those societies that have had everyone armed have become very polite, very quickly.
Since 24 hour licensing has hit my town, we've had less violence. People don't need to rush their drinks, some people even go out later. They go to clubs that are open later and leave when they feel like it.
People aren't all thrown outside at once from the clubs at 2am, when they're tired they go... Less ques for kebabs which means more business for them, shorter waits for taxis.
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How hard do you think it is now?
Given that it’s extremely time-consuming I’d say pretty difficult.
For each person the police stop and search they have to fill in the name, address and ethnic origin of the person they’ve stopped. I know several people in the police and while it sounds a reasonable idea in practice from what I hear it's a joke.
it's not easy yto police when your spending so much time doing mostly pointless paperwork.
There's a reason for that. Read up on the sus laws and Brixton, St Pauls, Toxteth, Handsworth.
I don’t dispute the fact that the police and individual officers have in the past abused their powers – and while things have got a lot better wrongdoings still happen.
However, none of that changes the point that the number of people carrying knives has in the past several years vastly increased. As has the number of stabbings. How do you think the police can reduce the number of stabbings? Can you not see how stopping and searching more people might help? And making it easier to do that? Since almost any police officer will tell you that will mean less knives on the street and therefore save lives on what grounds could you possibly oppose making it easier for the police to do their job?
I haven't looked for figures although when I heard this on Radio 5 last night someone mentioned the figures, not just for NYE (35 obviously being an increase). In London I heard the number of stabbings over the past 5 years had increased quite a lot..I'll post figures when I find them.
People will go out tooled up for a fight. It's always happened, always will. No amount of legislation will stop it, but if you use a knife in a fight you should be assumed to be a dangerous offender under the new provisions, and be locked up until you are safe again.
What do you suggest Disillusioned? Random searches on anyone the police don't like the look of?
No. I just don’t think the police should have to fill in time-consuming paperwork for each person they stop. I think it prevents the police from doing their job properly – they’re not there to waste half an hour filling in forms because they decided to stopped a few people. Has nobody else seen this first-hand anywhere? It might have been a nice idea but it really doesn't work very well.
Quite...
I wouldn't have a problem with police officers being given a hand held recorder or something to record reports so office staff could then type up the report later; that works well in hospitals for doctors. The present system however stops the police from doing their job properly and wastes their time. I'm surprised you're unable to see that. What do you think?
Given the ability of the police to change things like this to fit whatever crime they would have liked you to have done this week, it's a very bad idea.
If you aren't worth writing a report over, you aren't worth stopping.
Just out of interest what do you think the police's job actually is?