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I disagree with you,you say that the West will not accept civillian deaths yet the the war against terrorism(or TWAT) has recieved mass support from the public!
You seem to have come into this discussion and turned it into something totally different.
Ive never said that killing civilians through any means was 'morally acceptable'. There is however, a matter of intent.
If I stab you in the head with intent to kill you then that is seen as a lot more serious than if I accidentally stab you in the head while chopping carrots. Even in our legal system, one is called murder, the other possibly manslaughter.
I actually said large numbers of civilian casualties. IE, the results of firebombing a city etc.
The 3 billion dollars is not from private individuals, that is the value of all the US assistance to the state of Israel. Israel is the number 1 recipient of US foreign aid.
Secondly, I don't know about the F-22, but the tech to make the F-117 and the B-2 came from the Russians. A Russian physicist was allowed (God knows why) to publish a paper that explained the mathematical formula used to calculate the reflection of radio waves off of angled surfaces. The US saw the value of this and used it to make the 117. Because it only explained reflection off angles, we used computers to calculate reflections off of curves and then built the B-2.
Finally,
Who says that history should have anything to do with restoring people to their original homeland? Last time I checked, there used to be a country called Kurdistan that existed until much more recently than ancient Israel, whose territory and people were spliit up among Iran and Iraq and haven't had any success in getting it back, despite the horrible treatment the Kurds recieve from those two countries.
The Palestinians have lived in Palestine, later Israel, for thousands of years, their claim to the land is no worse than that of the Jewish people.
Oh, by the way, the comments made by me and some of the others in this thread are not anti-Semitic. We have a problem with the Israeli government, who is as responsible for this situation, and practices discrimination against the Palestinians as well as Israeli Arabs as the Palestinians. I am one quarter Jewish, so it would be pretty hard for me to be anti-Semitic. The equivalent situation in the US would be if Guatemala invaded us through Mexico, we fought them off and chased them back into Guatemala, and then occupied Mexico for 40 years.
Are you saying they have a right to fight the americans at all, just because of the way america works. If I hate you in the way you do things, does that give me a right to find you and kill you????? Hmmmm I wonder what the answer would be to that!!
With the fact that they fly planes into buildings to kill people and also hold guns to hostages heads!! And these things dont give you an idea as into what they want to do to the USA, are you thick?????? Do you think there trying to show us that they want to be friends with us????? Hmmmm another tricky one <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
So this gave these people a right to board a plane full of innocent people, hi-jack it(and also stab some stewards)then fly the plane into a building killing more innocent people just because they had greviances?!?!
Hey has anyone got a plane I could borrow, I have some greviances that I want to sort out??? Anyone......I really need one........anyone.......please?! <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Open your eyes and sort your brain out as it seems you have some serious crossing of wires in that head of yours.
The brittish were never on the east side of germany during the war. They were on the west with the other allies fighting the germans and they never got even close to the center as they let the soviets take berlin due to what the germans did you the soviet people. The soviets were on the east fighting the other german forces.
When you say cold war, is that the battle of the germans and soviets when hitler decided to invade the cossacks but didnt make it in time before winter came and half of the german army turned into ice lollies because they didnt have the right protection??. Or are you getting confused with the cold war of america and the soviets which the brits never really had much of a part to do with it nor germany as the cold war was in cuba or whereever as that was where the soviets had there shiny missles and the yanks didnt like that at all??
That we paragraph is very confusing?? <IMG alt="image" SRC="confused.gif" border="0"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="confused.gif" border="0">
I didnt say it gives them the right to do anythign - but who gives people rights anyway? you? AMerica has issues with countries over things and they seem to have given themselves "the rights" to take action that they see reasonable.
your the one with serious crossings of wires. your twisting my words.
MUCH you have to learn, and hopefully, you will absorb a portion of it when you grow up.
As a child, you have not yet been in a position of responsibility to direct your own life, much less anyone elses. You have not experienced the consequences of "opening a dialogue" when an armed response is mandatory. "Mandatory???" Klinton did the naive and childish (pc translation from COWARDLY) thing and just closed his eyes and pretended the naughty boys would just stop acting out if he ignored them.
If you were conversive with current events, then you would understand what "jihad" means... and to THOSE people, it means the murder of ALL Americans. To refrain from taking it to the antagonist is allow them to continue to escalate their "jihad" until the US is eliminated.
Like it or not, it IS in your PERSONAL best interest for the US to continue to exist. What do you think the consequences to UK would be if the US fell???
While you may very well believe that the act of defending yourself is vulgar, the reality is that if you do not value yourself sufficient to defend yourself, then you certainly HAVE demonstrated your value to the world around you.
Perhaps you WOULD enjoy life as a female in a Muslim world... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0"> Enjoy their "fashions"? Ready to queue up for the manditory female circumcision/mutilation? How about being publicly caned to death for a perceived infraction, tried/judged/sentenced/executed by one of the "defenders of the faith" who witnessed you exposing your ankle in public??? <IMG alt="image" SRC="eek.gif" border="0"> Ready to become a chatel? (Oops, I forgot... talking to "subjects", as opposed to citizens <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0"> ) Perhaps you really DO need a tour of Kabul to comprehend the pertinent issues...
Me? Naw... don't need to see Kabul. Saw enough in Quang Tri and Khe Sanh to understand the issues... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
Yes, but after the second world war, Britain, France and America all had garrisons of occupying troops based in West Germany. Brtain had an active RAF base there until a couple of years ago.
The cold war I am talking about is the 40 or so years from 1945 to 1989 when russia and the US were engaged in an arms race. During this time Britain had a large garrison of troops in Germany;soldiers, tanks, fighter aircraft. That is the example I was thinkig of. Answer your question for you?
Cheers, very well answered. I knew about the cold war with USA and russia but I didnt know that garrisons were in germany.
Thanks anyway, you learn something new all the time when you on thesite <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Germany was the front line of the cold war. That was where the hordes of Soviet tanks were supposed to be stopped before they could take over the rest of western Europe.