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I'm not 'rubbishing' your idea's I'm just pointing out that they have been tried by virtually every government in the Western World for the past 30 years with NO success.
Have you read that report I suggested yet? It is worth the effort.
It was written by the government policy review group, based on evidence from other departments. It is a vital read if you are to understand the drug war in the UK, and other countries.
Especially the bits where it says trying to stop supply wont work, increasing busts wont work, harsher laws wont work...
I'm not sure why you arent listening, you can not cut off the supply, it can not be done!
it just can't be done over night. It takes time, pateince, skill, money.
The last few decades have shown that it can't.
Bong I don't know why your bothering with this numpty.
So there's you and the Taliban saying it can be done vs. the government policy unit and all known logic suggesting it cant be done.
Perhaps you could give me an example of a country which stopped producing drugs by the methods you want used?
It isn't the taliban saying this and you really have taken what I said out of context and its not just me that wants to combat drug crime. Every law enforcment and government in the westeren world, plus a few in the east wants to do it aswell!!
If your saying drugs can never be stopped ever then everything you say is pointless coz it would be a waste of time, by your logic.
how many governments actualy want that cash turnover to stop i wonder?
lets see ...england has historicaly had control of the opium supply through its huge empire ...and even aquired honk kong by shipping thousands of tons of opium from india and pakistan to the coastal regions of china ...all against the wishes and the efforts of the chinese govt ...cuasing an epidemic of addiction which england then used to its advantage ...you'll know all this of course through your historical studies.
the one and only ...the first ever ...sucsess in the so called war on drugs ...THE TALIBAN!
almost no opium being produced for the first time in centuries.
along come the english and americans and get rid of the taliban.
america then dish out to the warlords of each city ...each region ...millions of dollars in cash and gold and weapons ...to the guys who control the opium production ....and viola ...opium production is back up.
not just up but being produced at record levels with american dollars and american forces.
the millions of dollars dished out is dished out directly to those who control the centuries old harvest of opium.
a harvest that has always been traded with few problems for the producing countries.
cos WE ///have problems ...they should grow beans instead?
obviously not ...the american direct investment in the opium warlords says so.
walker ...it's fine to be anti drugs ...it's commendable to want to stop people using.
it is fucking ignorant and dishonest to type the shite you keep typing.
it is also dishonest and dumb ...to keep ignoring reality.
what is your answer to the global drugs problem ...what ideas do you put forward that haven't already been tried?
:yes:
I just think it's annoying the dumb fucker keeps trying to debate an issue he has no fucking idea about except for a personal opinion.
Errrmmm...what? I think you need to read the link again. Properly this time.
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/DS%20Media%20Project/media_heroin.htm#toxic
do you ever read what you post?
self ...cos you've had experience of heroin and survived and thrived ...your a cunt as well who is talking utter bollox!
bong ...just cos you have the backing of the mods in your signature and can give excellent links ...means your an even bigger fucking idiot!
all those chief constables and mp's looking at ways to legalise it ...pffft ...what do they know?
as for those countries that have had some sucsess by trying different approaches ...proves nowt.
is there a perfect solution ...well none of us have offered one have we?
your not modest man yourself. I have put up decent arguements and you lot refuse to see anything other then your own view. Its a disgrace.
I showed that heroin is addictive after you guys said it wasn't. You refuse to accept this.
I put up answers, and you insult me, yet when I say owt to you you get all indignant.
Quite frankly there are too many people with their heads up their arse on this issue.
Can you point out where anyone here said heroin wasn't addictive. It's very addictive, however, to get addicted in the first place, you need a lot more than th eone hit you seem to think gets you addicted.
There's only one person with their heads up their arsesin this thread mate!
People were saying you need to take loads before you get addicted, when cleraly you do not.
Sorry, who was going on about this one hit rubbish? Nobody in here has said heroin isn't addictive.
For fuck's sake!
You've already been told by an ex smackhead it takes about a month of every day usage to get addicted.
If you claim one hit = addiction (which is utter bullshit) on a forum frequented by drug users, drug workers and ex-addicts then what do you expect? Talk shit and you'll be corrected.
Have you ever taken heroin...no. So how the fuck do you know how much it takes you to get addicted, you're the one who said at the start that one hit gets you addicted.
Now a person on this board, a very fucking respected member who genuinely was addicted to the shit said how much it needed to get you fully addicted and you still don't listen. WTF like.
You haven't put up any arguments.
You're either lying or incredibly stupid as this bears no relation to this thread.
You behaved like this on a couple of other threads too. Got everything wildly wrong, denied it then spat your dummy. Whats up with you?
So were we.
No, that was you.
Did you read that Drugscope link?
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/DS%20Media%20Project/media_heroin.htm#instant
Although no doubt you're going to tell me you know better. If you do know better - what model of addiction do you subscribe to?
ok, so when people start taking heroing, do you think after on ehit, th enext day they think to themslevs " I 'm gonna take some heroin today, just for the sake of it", hell no.
You take heroing, feels good, mixes with your body, the next time you rthinking you want some heorin, thats a biological response. Thats addiction.
I am not saying one hit and the next day your in an abandoned house, shooting up, givin bj's for £10. Course not. Never did say that.
But opening yourself up to the drug leaves you vunerable to being an addict. Anyone with sense would tell you that.
Oh and I am the on ebeing told I am stupid. Lok kback at past posts and some dicks saying rock stars and shit tak eit an dthey are fiune. Yeah they can afford to buy it an dthen go into rehab afterwards, and then they nearly all go clean anyway coz they are sick of the stuff.
There have been other studies besides that one on drugscope that suggest drusg are far more addictive then that link you put up suggests.
Basically you lot have your one view and anyone that put ssomething else you insult. Its childish and considering the subject is irresponsible.
Go into schools and say "its ok kids, take some drugs, you get hooked unles syou take it every day for months on end, and even then you can always get clean and it doesn't really effect your health".
Stupid.
but since you like showing off with ur links, why don't you post one showing all the models?
So its your view, not a model.
I'm trying to make the point that just having your own opinion on it isn't enough. If you're going to make assertions on something as if its fact, it might be an idea to find out a little about the subject first? Otherwise you end up looking like an idiot.
Models of addiction