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Yes because cannabis and E users are evil criminals who need to commit crime to get that next fix :rolleyes:
Yes.
The adict will get what he/she needs. Why would they want more?
What do you think they'll do?
But it would cut all crime linked to herion addiction. Any cut in crime is a good thing surely.
A message that it isn't a crime to be an addict.
I'm still waiting on your solution to the probelm of drug crime?
Doctors will nto prescibe over doses at their discreation, if the addict wants more then tough.
A crime cut is great. At what cost? If you kileld evry person that commits a crim then you have 0% re-offending rate and cut crime. Does it make it a good idea?
So being an addict is a good thing then?
I never said I had the answers.
And an addict who wants more of a drug that's illegal isn't going to take more anyway?
:banghead: You said you did organised crime in uni and you think killing all criminals will eradicate crime.
Who the fuck said being an addict was a good thing?
Puberty must be a tough thing, all these hormones, making you say such stupid things...i'm here for you mate.
Who's talking about killing addicts?
Of course not, but it shouldn't be a crime either. It's an medical condition.
Well what do we do carry on liek we are now?
when cannabis and heroin and opium were legal ...guess what? very few problems.
yes some people will screw up ...their choice their downfall i'm afraid.
since the year dot man has sought altered states of mind ....why is it now illegal to do this?
i'm smoking a little spliff now ...do you believe i should actualy be treated as if i'm commiting a criminal act ...if so why?
:banghead:
I don;t see why I'm arguing with you when you quite clearly have your head up your arse.
Some of the attitudes in this thread make me sad...
People on herion smell? One line of charlie and you an addict?
What do you mean by addictive? Its not as simple as it first looks. Which model of addiction do you subscribe to btw?
so ...instead of legalising it they have turned a big blind eye and said if you want to smoke it buy it sell it grow it ...just do it.
The Americans even threatened to close the border.
the result?
canadas biggest export is now cannabis.
not a drug cartel in sight.
farmers and families doing what they should always have been allowed to do.
and if you put it on prescription, you have to get addicted soemhow. one of you has said that you won't justbe able to walk into the doctors and say 'i'd like soem heroin', so where would the addiction start? from buying it on the black market!
and about the smell, i'm not pretending i'm clued up on this matter and know what heroin smells like. its just i have smelled that smell before and have taken it to be the smell of a druggy. and it smell clinicals but dank and slightly musty. and whoever made the somment about swabbing with alcohol, i never even knew that people said that.
i think you guys are all blinded. you're all like 'yeh i've lived the life, i know everything' but have you thought of the other people if affects. you know i lost a friend because her bfs a pusher. he's not a dealer as such, he's just got connection and takes your money and you smoke the stuff with him and then he ends up taking it home before you even realise what's happened. i know its not heroin, but just to back up what walkindude is saying about losing a mate over money and stuff.
An addict who keeps running into the law because they have to commit crime to pay for their addiction becomes a registered addict, somebody who would be eligible for a prescription.
Continuing with this just makes you look more and more stupid. I'd give it up if I were you.
Again, you havn't got a clue have you.
No no no!
:banghead:
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/DS%20Media%20Project/media_heroin.htm
Have you met drug abusers though?
The law and the reality are two entirely different things.
Most drug abusers steal to get enough money to buy drugs. Cut out the dealer ratcheting up the price, and you lose the theft, and you lose the gangland violence.
I think I've said before that I work for a criminal law solicitor. We'd lose half our caseload if drugs were available on prescription, and nobody can argue that is anything but a good thing.
Take a simple case of dealing to a friend. You give a mate some brown, and that's dealing. So you have two solicitors working at £50ph, you have two barristers working at £50ph, you have a judge at £100ph, you have a clerk on £25ph, and the costs of the jury and court. You have the cost of prison for five years if convicted. What does that achieve? Nothing.
The cost of heroin on prescription is more than outweighed by the cost of all these people locked up in prison for persistent theft or burglary.
How is that any different than any food or activity you've enjoyed.
Once I ate a kebab knew I wanted to have one again sometime. Kebabs are addictive obviously.
:yes:
Another man who's got experience with drug crime! And who I think doesn't use drugs.
Walkindude seems to believe that us drug users are taking this line because we've got an intrest in it. Well that's bollocks. We have simply got a more realistic view.
These people who think that telling others that drugs are bad will stop them using are deluding themselves. History has shown this. Your arguments for keeping things how they are are just plain stupid.
You said some drugs will get you hooked the first time you try them. That is rubbish.
I sometimes smoke pot, but very rarely. I don't like tobacco.
Prosecuting all these people costs a lot of money, more than people think. Making addicts steal and deal to fund themselves is a waste of time, and damages society far more than prescription drugs would.
Most criminal defence lawyers I speak to feel the same. And that's even after the druggies are our most reliable clients.
just try and open your eyes and look at the other point of view.
i can see yours, why can't you see mine. and i'm not saying i believe in what i say either i'm just acknowledging what walkindude has said.
and you havent answerred how ppl would get addicted in the first place when they cant just walk into their doctors and ask for a prescription! ffs this is infuriating. and i'm not pretending i know every fucking thing about drugs and heroin addiction and what fucking skag smells like i'm just making opinions on the people i've met and the experiences i've had. and my experiences are more common in this world than yours. a lot of people don't even see why trying drugs would be fun, they like the control they have over their own lives, so to call people ignorant just because they haven't had an addiction. maybe they don't want a fucking addiction and maybe they have a relative whos had an addiction and its completely fucked up their life and their families lives and so hate the fucking thought of drugs. are you saying these people should want to legalise the drug that killed their daughter, or sister, or mother? no
my auntie is a social worker and goes and takes the kids to see their heroin addicted mothers. what are those kids gonna grow up to be like? just because some people can hold down a job as a doctor whilst their addicted doesn't mean people from council estates where from the moment their born they have little hope in their lives can. look at the bigger picture. the world isn't you and you're little world of having to have a fucking spliff before you go to sleep at night. can't you see its sad and pathetic that you have to have something in your life to make it worth living. just look at the fucking trees and the animals and nature and how fucking amazing it is. look at the relationship you have with your parents, these two amazing people who will love you no matter what. why do you need a drug to love you or your love of a drug to see you through life.
i don't mind the occasional dabble in drugs. i like the profound experiences you can encounter, but i also get that enjoyment from just sitting cuddling my boyfriend or looking at the stars when you're lying on the beach on an island in the middle of nowhere. ffs love is not synthetically made
Exactly. I would be a lot more difficult to come into contact with the drug.
Adn people who use drugs for fun have less control over their lives?
No. You're just ignorant to reality. People that smell of heroin?
Because for me as a user drugs make life worth living?
as for those supporting legalisation = some control ....not listening to the views of those against ...think why.
we have a forty year old drugs war which has completely failed.
we can see the joys and the disasters all around us.
the legal situation has left us with an ever growing number of addicts.
being illegal means the only controls regarding distribution and purity are left in the hands of terrorists smugglers murderers dealers ...a whole line of people who don't obey the rules ...they make their own up along the way and rarely stick to them.
legalisation will not produce paradise ...is not the perfect solution but it is a step away from the disster that has been created so far.
us legalisers tend to look at the reality of the many situations.
what do you think about canadas approach to cannabis and its results?
what do you think of hollands approach to heroin and the results?
the results in holland are ...the average age of addicts are in their late forties early fifties ...meaning fewer and fewer young people being drawn in ...they aint interested.
the addicts are people who started 30 years ago.
our approach to heroin is one of the stiffest in europe ...more and more younfg people are taking the stuff ...it gets ever cheaper.
who's doing the right thing?
do you honestly believe leaving powerful intoxicants in the hands of killers and thieves is a sensible idea?
if not ...you must see there has to be some drastic changes in our approach to drugs use and supply.
or do we just leave it as it is?
ignore the sucsess of other countries.
standing still and fiddling is what this country does best ...afraid of change.