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If you're perving and just wanting a shag then you aren't going to care, least of all joking with your pals. Blame the sexual revolution if you're looking for a reason, not FHM & co.
whole societies condemmed to the mines or the fields for lots of other people to make off ...at least things have cheered up somewhat in the area of objectification.
looking for mountains where theres only molehills i reckon.
just been for a pint in the local ...full of the kinds of blokes who are guilty.
tonight ...the place was almost silent ...cos we were all watching the tsunami programme insteag of the barmaids arse.
there were moist eyes all around at the despair of the people who have suffered and are still suffering ...very human men ...very caring ...not too damaged after all.
You can admire the scenery without viewing each woman as merchandise to be picked off the shelf.
The problem isn't that FHM put pictures of good looking girls in their magazine, nowt wrong with a nice bit of eye candy. But FHM go beyond this, and they actually positively market the girls as merchandise to be bought, used and discarded.
That shows in how some men treat women in pubs and clubs- that no isn't an answer, and that if she says no she's wrong. I know rape and sexual abuse seem a long way from a laugh about a bird from Hollyoaks, but they aren't- by making the objectification socially acceptable, they are bringing rape- especially drug "date" rape- to the surface far more.
Not all men who read FHM and like admiring the scenery in a club are going to do this, but objectification demeans people, and makes forced consumption more likely and more prevalent. IT also makes attitudes to rape far worse- a girl who is drunk obviously wants it.
I don't think the lads mags are the first to objectify, but the point is that they do perpetuate it, and make it far more socially accepted. The lads mags make the objectification hard-wired in society, and that is a really quite dangerous thing to happen.
yes the society we have built is rotten and dangerous in many respects but ...
you lot and me ...are living in the most amazing of times.
my parents and their parents before them ...went through hell.
wars and rationing and prison camps ...very brutal and impoverished and dangerous times indeed. no terrorist threats ...just bombs raining down on your houses and factories every day ...for years.
most of the world is in great pain and hunger but here in fantasy world ...the land of to much of everything ...we have to look for bogeymen under the bed.
is this how every society collapses in on itself?
spoilt rotten ...pampered ...ungrateful ...selfish ...
to clean to well fed.
:yes:
UGG!
No I don't think there's much wrong with that. It reflects snippets of popular culture at the time. Not how the male mind works all the time.
I don't think there's much wrong as long as they don't step over the line and do something harmful.
sounds pretty bad in the metropolis.
Yes, and you also need the right man. What's your point?
Most humans, male and female, don't fall for any of the shit they see in the mags, we're capable enough of being kind and gentle with the opposite sex ourselves and no mags, lad or otherwise, are going to change that...despite what it may be telling us. Unhealthy, maybe, dangerous, no.
Why?
Don't you think we don't get that with female mags aswell and all the fit mens bodies in it. The amount of times me and my mates have been shunned by girls and laughed at is unreal, even though being courteous at the same time. Still don't yap about it, chin up and move on.
happens now and always has.
i think you've all gone soft in the head.
come back reality ...
In this months issue of FHM, there is a big article, that features these 4 young women who invited FHM to go out with them and see that they ghet up to on a night. The oldest is 21, the youngest 19. I won't write out the entire article but basically its this. These girls drink a bit before hand then go out, then scan the bar for blokes and but the girl on girl action show and pull a couple of blokes. They all take a guy back to have sex with except one of them, the youngest one. They say its a regular occurance and they have their own pull and shag league table they make though they then claim they don't always have sex, tho it seem to me they did. They claim that they are now the dominet ones on the look out and quite predetory looking for blokes, although they seem to have a varied list of what they want. They claim they are no different to the majority of girls int he country who do this kind of thing al the time.
Far from being th victims of gropers anmd men on the search for meaningles sex, they are the ones that are doing this trick. To quote one of them, she pulled a guy, shagged him senseless then doesn't plan on talking to him or contacting him again.
Then this morning on a feature about date rape, the women expert, detective whoever she was said to not go home with guys but take their number and see them again when your compeletly sober.
:banghead:
There is nothing wrong with eyeing up pretty people in a bar. Magazines showing naked flesh isn't the issue.
Walkindude, what are you on about? Women want sex for fun too shocker!
The point is about what social norms these magazines hardwire. They reduce people to objects to be consumed. If you don't think that objectification of people is a problem then fine, but you are wrong.
And before some brainiac says it, wanting a one night stand with a girl isn't the same as treating her like a can of coke.
These norms don't come from magazines. They come from city living. You have no choice but to completely dehumanise everyone else if you live in a city or large town. You would never get anything done if you didn't.
Yes it's a problem. Yes it's wrong. It's got fuck all to do with mags like FHM though. It's not even really just to do with sex either. It's to do with seeing hundreds of thousands of faces you'll never clap eyes on again as you go about your daily life. People point out that beggars get walked past.....well...so does everyone else in the crowd. To activate that part of your mind in a few other areas of your life isn't such a big jump.
How valuable is that attractive stranger in a sea of attractive strangers?
Yes, there's a deeper social reason. Lads mags are a part of it, more of a symptom than a cause, but they have an influence. Take notice of what the women on this thread are saying.
spot on
Its not the same, by a long shot. The sidelining of female opinions on this thread says a lot...
That's because mainly they were talking shite, mate. As is your good self.
Oh bugger, I'm in the bad books again aren't I?
How do you know she was happy to be there? I bet you think prostitutes are happy to be earning a few quid too. :rolleyes:
You have misunderstood what "objectification" means.
Bet she's a lot happier than she would be working in McDonalds,
yeah its really the same, that was a good point :rolleyes:
I disagree. To use the source you were quoting earlier:
I think you'll find my description of the objectification of a women on a page pretty accurately ties in with what Wikipedia has to say.
I also think you decided on what your view was way back at the start of the thread and have stuck your fingers in your ears for the remainder it, occasionaly responding with curt one liners that say nothing, put peoples backs up, and generally don't help the thread progress, as ususal.
I was just wondering how you know if they're happy - have you asked them? Or do you just take it for granted?
I suggest you read that link I posted again.
Yes, I have decided my opinion on this. Mainly from talking to my g/f and other women. However, I appear to be the only person on this thread who is bothering to back up my position, so your assertion that I have "stuck your fingers in your ears for the remainder it, occasionaly responding with curt one liners that say nothing, put peoples backs up, and generally don't help the thread progress, as ususal." is a complete lie.