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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You don't think that presenting women as objects feeds into the general patriarchal culture of low pay, shit conditions and abuse against women?

    :lol:
    On an average girls night out I can usually expect to be groped at least twice and have groups of men shouting comments like 'look at the tits on that' - obviously I don't qualify as a fellow member of the human race because I have breasts.

    Lots of frustrated men, check. Why is this?
    Contrary to popular belief, this is not appreciated.

    See my post on the fact that eventually it works. Blame the women who occasionally go for this kind of thing as much as the men who are being stupid about trying to get what they want.
    It does seem to be getting worse - it's almost a pack mentality that takes over and each bloke starts trying to out-do his mates over which one can be the most laddish, red blooded heterosexual alpha male.

    Okay, what should these men be doing then? They obviously haven't a clue what to do, hence the pathetic and scary attempts.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Christ, you're a cunt klintock.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Christ, you're a cunt klintock.

    Care to elaborate?

    Looks like once again I am left all alone in the real world.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yet some men think its perfectly ok to grope me or shout comments.

    I bet klintock's one of them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I bet klintock's one of them.

    :no:

    I'm the bloke telling jokes to the hen night (who will do the whole groping thing at the drop of a hat, btw) or dancing with half the room. Works much better. I'm still after the same thing, I just got better tactics.

    :yes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    So, we are saying that men are sexually starved by women?

    Or have I missed it again?

    We've said that men aren't getting what they really want and so have to go for faux porn for their thrills. Must be missing out on something. At the same time we are saying that women aren't totally thrilled with modern life neither. Hmmmmm.

    Why do men mention women's looks, have a feel etc?

    Because, sometimes, it works.

    Go out and ask every woman you meet for a fuck and after not too long you'll get one. Simple. Man fancies shag. It's weekend. He's drunk. He likes what he sees. He says so. He gets slapped.

    Being dim, he goes and does it again. And again. Eventually he gets laid.

    Next time he knows that he just has to approach enough to get sex. And that's all this is about. Our "soceities" rituals for finding a partner are horribly dishonest and broken. A vast male population exists for very good looking women, who, at the very attractive level could pick a different partner every few hours if they really wanted to until time fucked their looks. Few men get this level of choice.

    All sexual power resides with women, because they have most of the choice. To then moan about having a few piccies taken etc is just fucking bollocks. Cake and eat it time and not get fat is all that's wanted from the fairer sex and fair play to them, halfwits like Blagsta fall for it.


    hahahahaahha made me think of the playing the probabilities method employed by some people

    my best mates mate who a complete knob imo even when he had a girlfriend went out and pulled LOADS of girls, he's a complete sleazebag but a signifigant minority of girls didn't care as they just wanted a fuck as well - the girls who said no thanks or slapped him, he jsut ignored and kept trying :rolleyes:


    however some people wouldnt do it if it didnt work
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    however some people wouldnt do it if it didnt work

    Yeah, exactly.
  • SkiveSkive Posts: 15,282 Skive's The Limit
    klintock wrote:
    Yeah, exactly.

    And women use the same tactic. It's the easiest way to make sure you pull.

    I've had many a drunk bird come up and start talking dirty or trying to grind up and down me.


    It reminds me of a Kevin Bloody Wilson song - "Do You Fuck on First Dates".
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "All sexual power resides with women" - what a twisted fucked up mind you have klintock
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lads mags are a product of society not a cause. I really don't see how FHM or Loaded makes a significant contribution to drunken wankers abusing women on a night out ...

    I haven't read any of them sinse I was about 18 but as I remember while they do objectify women the jokes tend to be written with the assumption that the reader is male and with a girlfriend ... so there's some hot women to look at while the missus isn't watching and some tongue in cheek banter. To be honest its like a lads night in the pub in a magazine. I don't think its particularly damaging to society.

    Arse pinching and objectifying ... think it goes equally for both sexes. I've no doubt its more intimidating for a lass to be sleazed on by a group of lads than lasses to lads but its pretty common both ways. I don't think magazines can be blamed for that kind of behaviour ... notch that one up to binge drinking
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think anyone is "blaming" magazines.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You don't think that presenting women as objects feeds into the general patriarchal culture of low pay, shit conditions and abuse against women?

    Ok, so you think it contributes?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You don't think that presenting women as objects feeds into the general patriarchal culture of low pay, shit conditions and abuse against women?

    I still don't know how you're making this comparison. The patriarchical situation is a political one, the objectification one is something that belongs to the media.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    I still don't know how you're making this comparison. The patriarchical situation is a political one, the objectification one is something that belongs to the media.

    The two are not separate.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jon_UK wrote:
    Ok, so you think it contributes?

    I think there is a relationship between the media, society, culture, ideology, politics etc, yes. I don't however think its a direct linear relationship in the way that you seem to think I do.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    The two are not separate.

    So you're trying to say that politicians deliberately let women being objectified so they can justify giving them low pay :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    So you're trying to say that politicians deliberately let women being objectified so they can justify giving them low pay :confused:

    Stop being so simplistic.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Stop being so simplistic.

    I'm not. You said the two are not separate so I just assumed you were on about that in relation to the debate. Of course they're related to some degree but in the context of this debate it shouldn't be mentioned.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    I'm not. You said the two are not separate so I just assumed you were on about that in relation to the debate. Of course they're related to some degree but in the context of this debate it shouldn't be mentioned.

    You appear to think that there is a direct realtionship between these things, that "politicians deliberately let women being objectified so they can justify giving them low pay". That is a very simplistic view of politics, culture and ideology. As I said in a previous post - there is a relationship between these things, but it is a complex one. Drawing the conclusion that you did from what I said is simplistic bollocks.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You appear to think that there is a direct realtionship between these things, that "politicians deliberately let women being objectified so they can justify giving them low pay". That is a very simplistic view of politics, culture and ideology. As I said in a previous post - there is a relationship between these things, but it is a complex one. Drawing the conclusion that you did from what I said is simplistic bollocks.

    Hold on Blag...it was me who said you shouldn't make such comparisons in the first place, you're the one who said politics and the media were not separate without elaborating on what you meant by that in the context of the debate so I just assumed you meant they were connected that's all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Hold on Blag...it was me who said you shouldn't make such comparisons in the first place, you're the one who said politics and the media were not separate without elaborating on what you meant by that in the context of the debate so I just assumed you meant they were connected that's all.

    Yes, they're connected, but not in the simple way that you suggested. Its a lot more subtle and complex than that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Its a lot more subtle than that.

    How so?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    How so?

    The media reflects the cultural currents in society, but also helps create them. How much is reflecting and how much creating, I haven't a clue and its not even a simple causal relationship like you suggest. If you're interested in this stuff, read some introductory cultural studies and media studies books.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    The media reflects the cultural currents in society, but also helps create them. How much is reflecting and how much creating, I haven't a clue and its not even a simple causal relationship like you suggest. If you're interested in this stuff, read some introductory cultural studies and media studies books.

    Well why do you think "lads mags" are only a relitavely new thing when patriarchical beliefs have existed long before them?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Well why do you think "lads mags" are only a relitavely new thing when patriarchical beliefs have existed long before them?

    I don't know. Marketing, the need for the magazine business to find a new market in the 1990's, the reflection of a cultural change in the 90's into the 00's, the defeat of the left within mainstream public discourse. Many reasons.

    [ETA]
    although I think that "lads mags" are just an extension and progression from page 3, nudie calendars, the KP peanut girl in pubs etc.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I think there is a relationship between the media, society, culture, ideology, politics etc, yes. I don't however think its a direct linear relationship in the way that you seem to think I do.

    I agree but fuck it every now and then its nice to read some smut!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    all this reading of political and social ideas and ideals is doing peoples heads in me thinks.
    like i said earlier ...trends ...they come and go.
    remember the parents and proffesionals of the early seventies being drawn in by dr spock about childcare?
    whole health systems took up his ideas ...thirty years later it was all chucked out and mr spock was also found to have been a child abuser!

    i think some of you read to much ...in the belief it gives you a better understanding ...only to find twenty years down the line it's decided it was all bollox.

    common sense and the SIMPLE approach often prove to be far more trustworthy.
    mountains out of molehills and looking for bogeymen.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "All sexual power resides with women" - what a twisted fucked up mind you have klintock

    All sexual power and choice does reside with women. Unless we are talking rape of course. Which we aren't.

    Are you fucking insane Blagsta?

    What possible basis do you have for saying it's any other way?

    Is there and "introducing reality" book you can go read?
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